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From: Bharata B Rao <bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dhaval Giani <dhaval@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPU hard limits
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:44:40 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090607161440.GA3609@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A2B5881.9060204@redhat.com>

On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 09:04:49AM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Bharata B Rao wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 09:01:50AM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>   
>>> Bharata B Rao wrote:
>>>     
>>>> But could there be client models where you are required to strictly
>>>> adhere to the limit within the bandwidth and not provide more (by advancing
>>>> the bandwidth period) in the presence of idle cycles ?
>>>>         
>>> That's the limit part.  I'd like to be able to specify limits and   
>>> guarantees on the same host and for the same groups; I don't think 
>>> that  works when you advance the bandwidth period.
>>>
>>> I think we need to treat guarantees as first-class goals, not 
>>> something  derived from limits (in fact I think guarantees are more 
>>> useful as they  can be used to provide SLAs).
>>>     
>>
>> I agree that guarantees are important, but I am not sure about
>>
>> 1. specifying both limits and guarantees for groups and
>>   
>
> Why would you allow specifying a lower bound for cpu usage (a  
> guarantee), and upper bound (a limit), but not both?

I was saying that we specify only limits and not guarantees since it
can be worked out from limits. Initial thinking was that the kernel will
be made aware of only limits and users could set the limits appropriately
to obtain the desired guarantees. I understand your concerns/objections
on this and we will address this in our next version of RFC as Balbir said.

Regards,
Bharata.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-07 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-04  5:36 [RFC] CPU hard limits Bharata B Rao
2009-06-04 12:19 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-04 21:32   ` Mike Waychison
2009-06-05  3:03   ` Bharata B Rao
     [not found]     ` <20090605030309.GA3872-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  3:33       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  3:33     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  4:37       ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]         ` <661de9470906042137u603e2997n80c270bf7f6191ad-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  4:44           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  4:44         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  4:49           ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]             ` <20090605044946.GA11755-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  5:09               ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-05  5:10               ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  5:16               ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  5:09             ` Chris Friesen
     [not found]               ` <4A28A882.8070503-ZIRUuHA3oDzQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  5:13                 ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  5:13               ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  5:10             ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]               ` <20090605051050.GB11755-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  5:21                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  5:21               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <4A28AB67.7040800-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  5:27                   ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  5:27                 ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]                   ` <20090605052755.GE11755-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  5:31                     ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05  6:03                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  5:31                   ` Bharata B Rao
     [not found]                     ` <20090605053159.GB3872-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  6:01                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  9:24                       ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  6:01                     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                       ` <4A28B4CE.4010004-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  8:16                         ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05  8:16                           ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-07  6:04                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07 16:14                             ` Bharata B Rao [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <4A2B5881.9060204-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-07 16:14                               ` Bharata B Rao
     [not found]                           ` <20090605081651.GD3872-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-07  6:04                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  9:39                         ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  9:39                       ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 13:14                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                           ` <4A291A2F.3090201-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 13:42                             ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 13:42                               ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]                               ` <661de9470906050642s7774d601l53e366c77ffa7475-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-07  6:09                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07  6:09                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 14:54                             ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-05 14:54                           ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-07  6:10                             ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                             ` <4A293196.2060006-ZIRUuHA3oDzQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-07  6:10                               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <20090605093947.GJ11755-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 13:14                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  9:24                     ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  6:03                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <4A28B539.3050001-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  6:32                       ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05  6:32                     ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05 12:57                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                       ` <20090605063243.GC3872-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 12:57                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  5:16             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  5:20               ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]               ` <4A28AA25.4050206-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  5:20                 ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]           ` <4A28A2AB.3060108-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  4:49             ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]       ` <4A28921C.6010802-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  4:37         ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]   ` <4A27BBCA.5020606-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-04 21:32     ` Mike Waychison
2009-06-05  3:03     ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05  3:07     ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  3:07   ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  8:53 ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05  9:27   ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05  9:32     ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05  9:48       ` Dhaval Giani
2009-06-05  9:51         ` Paul Menage
     [not found]           ` <6599ad830906050251h18f4e037h182f61aa80a5b046-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  9:59             ` Dhaval Giani
2009-06-05  9:59           ` Dhaval Giani
     [not found]             ` <20090605095931.GE4601-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 10:03               ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 10:03             ` Paul Menage
     [not found]               ` <6599ad830906050303r404c325anc60ded4f45a50b95-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-08  8:50                 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2009-06-08  8:50               ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]         ` <20090605094811.GD4601-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  9:51           ` Paul Menage
     [not found]       ` <6599ad830906050232n11aa30d8xfcda0a279a482f32-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  9:48         ` Dhaval Giani
     [not found]     ` <20090605092733.GA27486-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  9:32       ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05  9:36   ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]     ` <20090605093625.GI11755-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  9:48       ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05  9:48         ` Paul Menage
     [not found]         ` <6599ad830906050248m2c569e5bx44fb3bbddf46f8b1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  9:55           ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  9:55         ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05  9:57           ` Paul Menage
     [not found]           ` <20090605095527.GM11755-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  9:57             ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 10:02             ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 10:02           ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 11:32   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2009-06-05 12:18     ` Paul Menage
     [not found]       ` <6599ad830906050518t6cd7d477h36a187f2eaf55578-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-07 10:11         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2009-06-07 10:11           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2009-06-07 15:35           ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-08  4:37             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
     [not found]             ` <661de9470906070835l383cd388h67e40a31be07aef6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-08  4:37               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
     [not found]           ` <20090607101120.GB16211-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-07 15:35             ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 14:44     ` Chris Friesen
     [not found]     ` <20090605113217.GA20786-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 12:18       ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05 14:44       ` Chris Friesen
     [not found]   ` <6599ad830906050153i1afd104fqe70f681317349142-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05  9:27     ` Bharata B Rao
2009-06-05  9:36     ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-05 11:32     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2009-06-05 13:02     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 13:02   ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05 13:43     ` Dhaval Giani
2009-06-05 14:45       ` Chris Friesen
     [not found]       ` <20090605134320.GA3994-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 14:45         ` Chris Friesen
     [not found]     ` <4A291753.7090205-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 13:43       ` Dhaval Giani
     [not found] ` <20090604053649.GA3701-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-04 12:19   ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-05  8:53   ` Paul Menage
2009-06-05  9:02 ` Reinhard Tartler
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-06-04  5:36 Bharata B Rao

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