From: Valerie Aurora <vaurora@redhat.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: jblunck@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
bharata@in.ibm.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, mszeredi@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/32] VFS based Union Mount (V3)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:44:04 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090608194404.GC4363@fsbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1M6hjr-00032A-EX@pomaz-ex.szeredi.hu>
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:05:27AM +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Valerie Aurora wrote:
> > As Jan said, readdir() of read-only unioned file systems works with a
> > tmpfs top layer. If you think about it, this is the exact equivalent
> > of the version of union mounts which used the in-kernel caching
> > approach - except that it's better, because it reuses existing code
> > and caches between readdir() calls. Cool, huh?
>
> Yeah... OTOH tmpfs is probably a way too heavyweight solution for
> cases where memory is short, and union mounts would typically be used
> on such systems.
(Sorry for the delay - I've been on vacation.)
Hm, my intuition is that a tmpfs mount would be fairly lightweight in
terms of memory - the main overhead over the barebones solution would
be one superblock and vfsmount struct per mount. What am I missing?
> The big reason why kernel impementation of readdir is hard is that
> unswappable kernel memory needs to be used for caching directory
> contents while the directory is open. Well, tmpfs does the same,
> dentries and inodes are _not_ swappable, and they gobble up memory.
That's a good point. It seemed to me that it wouldn't be too
difficult to make those entries evictable - drop a reference count and
set the ->d_release to mark the directory as needing rebuilding. What
do you think?
> So where's the advantage over implementing a thin deduplicating and
> caching layer for union mounts?
>
> Thanks,
> Miklos
-VAL
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-08 19:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-18 16:08 [PATCH 00/32] VFS based Union Mount (V3) Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:08 ` [PATCH 01/32] atomic: Only take lock when the counter drops to zero on UP as well Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:08 ` [PATCH 02/32] VFS: BUG() if somebody tries to rehash an already hashed dentry Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:08 ` [PATCH 03/32] VFS: propagate mnt_flags into do_loopback Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 04/32] VFS: Make lookup_hash() return a struct path Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 05/32] VFS: Remove unnecessary micro-optimization in cached_lookup() Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 06/32] VFS: Make real_lookup() return a struct path Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 07/32] VFS: Introduce dput() variant that maintains a kill-list Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 08/32] whiteout: Don't return information about whiteouts to userspace Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 09/32] whiteout: Add vfs_whiteout() and whiteout inode operation Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 10/32] whiteout: Set S_OPAQUE inode flag when creating directories Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 11/32] whiteout: Add whiteout support to tmpfs Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 12/32] whiteout: Split of ext2_append_link() from ext2_add_link() Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 13/32] whiteout: Add whiteout support to ext2 Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 14/32] whiteout: Add path_whiteout() helper Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 15/32] union-mount: Documentation Jan Blunck
2009-05-25 6:25 ` hooanon05
2009-05-25 8:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-25 8:43 ` hooanon05
2009-06-18 19:05 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-19 1:53 ` hooanon05
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 16/32] union-mount: Introduce MNT_UNION and MS_UNION flags Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 17/32] union-mount: Introduce union_mount structure Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 18/32] union-mount: Drive the union cache via dcache Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 19/32] union-mount: Some checks during namespace changes Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 20/32] union-mount: Changes to the namespace handling Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 21/32] union-mount: Make lookup work for union-mounted file systems Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 16:15 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-19 17:30 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-05-20 10:21 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 22/32] union-mount: stop lookup when directory has S_OPAQUE flag set Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 23/32] union-mount: stop lookup when finding a whiteout Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 24/32] union-mount: in-kernel file copy between union mounted filesystems Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 25/32] union-mount: check for logically empty directory (FIXME) Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 26/32] union-mount: call do_whiteout() on unlink and rmdir Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 27/32] union-mount: Always create topmost directory on open Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 28/32] union-mount: Basic fallthru definitions Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 29/32] union mount: Support for fallthru entries in union mount lookup Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 30/32] union mount: ext2 fallthru support Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:32 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-19 9:42 ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 14:05 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-19 16:13 ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 31/32] union-mount: tmpfs " Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 32/32] union-mount: Copy up directory entries on first readdir() Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 20:40 ` [PATCH] Userland for VFS based Union Mount (V3) Valerie Aurora
2009-05-21 13:53 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-06-18 3:22 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-05-19 9:48 ` [PATCH 00/32] " Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-19 10:29 ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 10:35 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-19 10:39 ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 11:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-19 11:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-19 12:15 ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 12:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-19 13:10 ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 17:23 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-05-20 9:05 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-08 19:44 ` Valerie Aurora [this message]
2009-06-16 15:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-21 12:54 ` Jan Rekorajski
2009-06-08 19:57 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-08 19:57 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-08 22:44 ` Jan Rekorajski
2009-06-08 22:48 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-08 22:48 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-15 9:55 ` Jan Rekorajski
2009-06-18 3:23 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-18 3:23 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-04 11:38 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-06-09 22:15 ` Valerie Aurora
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