From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUMk-00044G-Tf for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:14:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUMj-00043D-CZ for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:14:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUMe-0003uD-Pp for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:14:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53265 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MIUMe-0003u1-ME for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:14:12 -0400 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]:39090) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MIUMe-0006Ul-EB for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:14:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MITJj-0004ok-5b for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:07:07 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIUMb-0006nA-Uz for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:14:09 +0200 Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:14:09 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090621211409.GA26091@thorin> References: <20090616214709.GA31314@pina.cat> <20090618205607.GA20132@pina.cat> <20090619103747.GC19777@thorin> <20090621110757.GB27710@thorin> <20090621172236.GA23270@pina.cat> <20090621184230.GA21495@thorin> <1245611699.4250.19.camel@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1245611699.4250.19.camel@mj> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Subject: Re: Fw: gettext support X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:14:17 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 03:14:59PM -0400, Pavel Roskin wrote: > > Do we really need to localize the bootloader? I think localization of > the tools should be sufficient. > > Even Linux kernel is not localized, and it's more likely to tell the > user something important than the bootloader. Besides, how would you > ask the user about the preferred language at the boot time? If anything > goes wrong, it's likely that the translations won't be available, and if > everything is fine, the user would just pick an item from the menu, and > the menu can be localized when it's generated. I agree that for the most part, it's not necessary to localize a bootloader. But there's a big different between GRUB and Linux: GRUB provides an interactive user interface. I think the best would be to make a very strict selection of which strings are worthy of translating. At the very least, I'd translate the "Use the %C and %C keys to select which entry is highlighted" type stuff that Carles has provided as an example. Perhaps help output in commands would also be useful. And of course, the user tools. Well at least the grub-mkconfig strings, since they end up in the menu. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."