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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: eranian@gmail.com
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Maynard Johnson <mpjohn@us.ibm.com>, Carl Love <cel@us.ibm.com>,
	Corey J Ashford <cjashfor@us.ibm.com>,
	Philip Mucci <mucci@eecs.utk.edu>,
	Dan Terpstra <terpstra@eecs.utk.edu>,
	perfmon2-devel <perfmon2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: III.1 - Sampling period randomization
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:58:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090622115806.GO24366@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7c86c4470906161042p7fefdb59y10f8ef4275793f0e@mail.gmail.com>

> III/ Requests
>
> 1/ Sampling period randomization
>
> It is our experience (on Itanium, for instance), that for certain
> sampling measurements, it is beneficial to randomize the sampling
> period a bit. This is in particular the case when sampling on an
> event that happens very frequently and which is not related to
> timing, e.g., branch_instructions_retired. Randomization helps
> mitigate the bias. You do not need something sophisticated. But
> when you are using a kernel-level sampling buffer, you need to
> have the kernel randomize. Randomization needs to be supported per
> event.

This is on the todo list, it should be pretty straight forward to
implement. Basically add a u64 randomize:1 flag and a u64 rand_size,
and add some noise to hwc->sample_period in perf_counter_overflow(),
just like the .freq path does.

In fact the auto-freq sampling counters effectively randomize
already, as the path of stabilization/convergence is never exactly
the same. We could add a little bit of constant noise to the freq
counter and it would auto-correct automatically.

Since you seem to care abut this sub-feature, would you be
interested in sending a patch for that? The essential steps are:

 - Take a new bit off perf_counter_attr::__reserved_1 and name
   it attr.randomize.

 - Inject a few bits of trivial noise into the period calculated
   in kernel/perf_counter.c:perf_adjust_period(). The best place
   would be to add it right before this line:

        hwc->sample_period = sample_period;

   If you add a small relative fuzz of below 1% to sample_period
   then the code will auto-correct.

 - All the tools deal just fine with variable periods already, so
   there's no tooling updates needed, beyond adding a --randomize
   flag to tools/perf/builtin-record.c.

Let us know if you need any help with any of this!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-22 11:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-16 17:42 v2 of comments on Performance Counters for Linux (PCL) stephane eranian
2009-06-22 11:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:49 ` I.1 - System calls - ioctl Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 12:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-22 13:56     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 17:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-07-13 10:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 17:30       ` [perfmon2] " Arnd Bergmann
2009-07-13 17:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 17:53           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-07-14 13:51       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-07-30 13:58       ` stephane eranian
2009-07-30 14:13         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-30 16:17           ` stephane eranian
2009-07-30 16:40             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-07-30 16:53               ` stephane eranian
2009-07-30 17:20                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-03 14:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-22 11:50 ` I.2 - Grouping Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 19:45   ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 22:04     ` Corey Ashford
2009-06-23 17:51       ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 21:38   ` Corey Ashford
2009-06-23  5:16   ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-23  7:36     ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23  8:26       ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-23  8:30         ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23 16:24           ` Corey Ashford
2009-06-22 11:51 ` I.3 - Multiplexing and system-wide Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:51 ` I.4 - Controlling group multiplexing Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:52 ` I.5 - Mmaped count Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 12:25   ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 12:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-22 12:54       ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 14:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-23  0:41         ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-23  0:39       ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-23  6:13         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-23  7:40         ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23  0:33     ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-22 11:53 ` I.6 - Group scheduling Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:54 ` I.7 - Group validity checking Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:54 ` I.8 - Generalized cache events Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:55 ` I.9 - Group reading Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:55 ` I.10 - Event buffer minimal useful size Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:56 ` I.11 - Missing definitions for generic events Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 14:54   ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 11:57 ` II.1 - Fixed counters on Intel Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 14:27   ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 11:57 ` II.2 - Event knowledge missing Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23 13:18   ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 11:58 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-06-22 11:58 ` IV.1 - Support for model-specific uncore PMU Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 11:59 ` IV.2 - Features impacting all counters Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 12:00 ` IV.3 - AMD IBS Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 14:08   ` [perfmon2] " Rob Fowler
2009-06-22 17:58     ` Maynard Johnson
2009-06-23  6:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-23  8:19       ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23 14:05         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23 14:25           ` stephane eranian
2009-06-23 14:55             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-23 14:40       ` Rob Fowler
2009-06-22 19:17   ` stephane eranian
2009-06-22 12:00 ` IV.4 - Intel PEBS Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 12:16   ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-22 12:01 ` IV.5 - Intel Last Branch Record (LBR) Ingo Molnar
2009-06-22 20:02   ` stephane eranian

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