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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
	mst@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	avi@redhat.com, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] eventfd: add internal reference counting to fix notifier race conditions
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:12:24 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200906252112.24730.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0906241154350.30928@makko.or.mcafeemobile.com>

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:15:11 am Davide Libenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:33:22 am Davide Libenzi wrote:
> > > What you're doing there, is setting up a kernel-to-kernel (since
> > > userspace only role is to create the eventfd) communication, using a
> > > file* as accessory. That IMO is plain wrong.
> >
> > The most sensible is that userspace can use these fds; an in-kernel
> > variant is possible too, but not primary IMHO.
> >
> > It's nice that userspace create the fds; it can then use the same fd for
> > multiple event sources.
> >
> > But I didn't see anything wrong with the way eventfd used to work: you
> > have a kvm ioctl to say "attach this eventfd to this guest notification"
> > and that does the eventfd_fget.  A detach ioctl does the fput (as does
> > release of the kvm fd).
> >
> > If they close the eventfd and don't do the detach ioctl, it's their
> > problem.
>
> Some components would like to know if userspace dropped the fd, and take
> proper action accordingly (release resources, drop module instances,
> etc...).

Like to know?  Possibly.  Need to know?  Not anything I've seen so far.

If userspace creates the fd, component grab a ref and if userspace wants that 
fd completely freed must close the fd *and* tell component.  Simple, race free 
and explicit.  All wins.

As this discussion shows, doing some kind of implies non-reference is hard, 
complex and racy.

> Another thing that comes in my mind (that for some components might not
> matter) is considering the effect of userspace doing things like:
>
> 	for (;;) {
> 		fd = eventfd(...);
> 		ioctl(xfd, XXX_ADD, fd);
> 		close(fd);
> 	}
>
> That might lead to unprivileged users drawing kernel memory w/out any
> userspace accountability, if not properly handled.

No, fget_eventfd covers this exactly as expected.  Don't doubt your ability to 
design sane kernel interfaces; eventfd is nice!  All lguest needed was a 
couple of EXPORT_SYMBOLS and it fitted in beautifully.

Thanks,
Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-25 11:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-16  2:29 [KVM-RFC PATCH 0/2] eventfd enhancements for irqfd/iosignalfd Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16  2:29 ` [KVM-RFC PATCH 1/2] eventfd: add an explicit srcu based notifier interface Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 14:02   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-16 14:11     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 14:38       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-16 14:48         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 14:54           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 15:16             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-16 14:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-16 15:20             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 15:41               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-16 16:17                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 16:19                   ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-16 17:01                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-17 16:38                       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-17 17:28                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-17 17:44                           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-17 19:17                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-17 19:50                               ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-17 21:48                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-17 23:21                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-18  6:23                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-18 17:52                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-18 14:01                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-18 14:01                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-18 17:44                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-18 19:04                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-18 19:04                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-18 22:03                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-18 22:47                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-18 22:47                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-19 18:51                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-19 18:51                                               ` [PATCH 1/3] eventfd: Allow waiters to be notified about the eventfd file* going away Gregory Haskins
2009-06-19 18:51                                               ` [PATCH 2/3] eventfd: add generalized notifier interface Gregory Haskins
2009-06-19 18:51                                               ` [PATCH 3/3] eventfd: add internal reference counting to fix notifier race conditions Gregory Haskins
2009-06-19 19:10                                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-19 21:16                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-19 21:26                                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-19 21:49                                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-19 21:54                                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-19 22:47                                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-20  2:09                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-20 21:17                                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-20 22:11                                                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-20 23:48                                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-21  1:14                                                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-21 16:51                                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-21 18:39                                                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-21 23:54                                                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-22 16:05                                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-22 16:05                                                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-22 17:01                                                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-22 17:43                                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-22 17:43                                                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-22 18:03                                                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-22 18:31                                                                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-22 18:31                                                                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-22 18:40                                                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-22 18:41                                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-22 18:51                                                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-22 19:05                                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-22 19:26                                                                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-22 19:29                                                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-22 20:06                                                                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-22 22:53                                                                                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-23  1:03                                                                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-23  1:17                                                                                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-23  1:26                                                                                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-23  1:26                                                                                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-23 14:29                                                                                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-23 14:37                                                                                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-23 14:37                                                                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-23 14:35                                                                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-23 14:42                                                                                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-23 14:42                                                                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-23 15:04                                                                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-22 20:28                                                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-22 19:16                                                                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-22 19:54                                                                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-24  3:25                                                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-24 22:45                                                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-25 11:42                                                                                         ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2009-06-25 16:34                                                                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-25 17:32                                                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-25 18:26                                                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-25 18:41                                                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-26 11:23                                                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-23  3:25                                                                             ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-23 14:31                                                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-25  0:19                                                                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-21  1:05                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 17:54                   ` [KVM-RFC PATCH 1/2] eventfd: add an explicit srcu based notifier interface Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-16 18:09                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-17 14:45                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-17 15:02                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-17 16:25                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-17 16:41                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 14:17     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 14:22       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 14:40     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16 14:46       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-06-18  9:03       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-18 11:43         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-06-16  2:30 ` [KVM-RFC PATCH 2/2] eventfd: add module reference counting support for registered notifiers Gregory Haskins

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