From: Alberto Bertogli <albertito@blitiri.com.ar>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, agk@redhat.com,
Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] dm-csum: A new device mapper target that checks data integrity
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:30:25 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090628153025.GH5913@blitiri.com.ar> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19014.47753.69063.510164@notabene.brown>
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:34:17AM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday May 26, albertito@blitiri.com.ar wrote:
> > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:33:01PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > > > This scheme assumes writes to a single sector are atomic in the presence of
> > > > normal crashes, which I'm not sure if it's something sane to assume in
> > > > practise. If it's not, then the scheme can be modified to cope with that.
> > >
> > > What happens if you have multiple writes to the same sector? (assuming
> > > you ment "before" above)
> > >
> > > - user writes to sector
> > > - queue up write for M1 and data1
> > > - M1 writes
> > > - user writes to sector
> > > - queue up writes for M2 and data2
> > > - data1 is thrown away as data2 overwrites it
> > > - M2 writes
> > > - system crashes
> > >
> > > Now both M1 and M2 have a different checksum than the old data left on
> > > disk.
> > >
> > > Can this happen?
> >
> > No, parallel writes that affect the same metadata sectors will not be allowed.
> > At the moment there is a rough lock which does not allow simultaneous updates
> > at all, I plan to make that more fine-grained in the future.
>
> Can I suggest a variation on the above which, I think, can cause a
> problem.
>
> - user writes data-A' to sector-A (which currently contains data-A)
> - queue up write for M1 and data-A'
> - M1 is written correctly.
> - power fails (before data-A' is written)
> reboot
> - read sector-A, find data-A which matches checksum on M2, so
> success.
>
> So everything is working perfectly so far...
>
> - write sector-B (in same 62-sector range as sector-A).
> - queue up write for M2 and data-B
> - those writes complete
> - read sector-A. find data-A, which doesn't match M1 (that has
> data-A') and doesn't match M2 (which is mostly a copy of M1),
> so the read fails.
The thing is that M2 is not a copy of M1. When updating M2 for data-B, the
procedure is not "copy M1, update sector-B's checksum, write" but "read M2,
update sector-B's checksum, write". So as long as there are no writes to
sector-A, M1 will have the incorrect checksum and M2 will have the correct
one, regardless of writes to the other sectors.
However, a troubling scenario based on yours could be:
- M2 has the right checksum but is older, M1 has the wrong checksum but is
newer.
- user writes data-A'' to sector'A
- queue up write for M2 (chosen because it is older)
- M2 is written correctly
- power fails before data-A'' is written
At that point, data-A is written at sector-A, but both M1 and M2 have
incorrect checksums for it.
I'll try to come up with a better scheme that copes with this kind of
scenarios and post an updated patch.
Thanks a lot,
Alberto
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From: Alberto Bertogli <albertito@blitiri.com.ar>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, agk@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] dm-csum: A new device mapper target that checks data integrity
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:30:25 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090628153025.GH5913@blitiri.com.ar> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19014.47753.69063.510164@notabene.brown>
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:34:17AM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday May 26, albertito@blitiri.com.ar wrote:
> > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:33:01PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > > > This scheme assumes writes to a single sector are atomic in the presence of
> > > > normal crashes, which I'm not sure if it's something sane to assume in
> > > > practise. If it's not, then the scheme can be modified to cope with that.
> > >
> > > What happens if you have multiple writes to the same sector? (assuming
> > > you ment "before" above)
> > >
> > > - user writes to sector
> > > - queue up write for M1 and data1
> > > - M1 writes
> > > - user writes to sector
> > > - queue up writes for M2 and data2
> > > - data1 is thrown away as data2 overwrites it
> > > - M2 writes
> > > - system crashes
> > >
> > > Now both M1 and M2 have a different checksum than the old data left on
> > > disk.
> > >
> > > Can this happen?
> >
> > No, parallel writes that affect the same metadata sectors will not be allowed.
> > At the moment there is a rough lock which does not allow simultaneous updates
> > at all, I plan to make that more fine-grained in the future.
>
> Can I suggest a variation on the above which, I think, can cause a
> problem.
>
> - user writes data-A' to sector-A (which currently contains data-A)
> - queue up write for M1 and data-A'
> - M1 is written correctly.
> - power fails (before data-A' is written)
> reboot
> - read sector-A, find data-A which matches checksum on M2, so
> success.
>
> So everything is working perfectly so far...
>
> - write sector-B (in same 62-sector range as sector-A).
> - queue up write for M2 and data-B
> - those writes complete
> - read sector-A. find data-A, which doesn't match M1 (that has
> data-A') and doesn't match M2 (which is mostly a copy of M1),
> so the read fails.
The thing is that M2 is not a copy of M1. When updating M2 for data-B, the
procedure is not "copy M1, update sector-B's checksum, write" but "read M2,
update sector-B's checksum, write". So as long as there are no writes to
sector-A, M1 will have the incorrect checksum and M2 will have the correct
one, regardless of writes to the other sectors.
However, a troubling scenario based on yours could be:
- M2 has the right checksum but is older, M1 has the wrong checksum but is
newer.
- user writes data-A'' to sector'A
- queue up write for M2 (chosen because it is older)
- M2 is written correctly
- power fails before data-A'' is written
At that point, data-A is written at sector-A, but both M1 and M2 have
incorrect checksums for it.
I'll try to come up with a better scheme that copes with this kind of
scenarios and post an updated patch.
Thanks a lot,
Alberto
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-28 15:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-21 16:13 [RFC PATCH] dm-csum: A new device mapper target that checks data integrity Alberto Bertogli
2009-05-21 16:13 ` Alberto Bertogli
2009-05-21 18:17 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-05-21 18:17 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-05-21 19:17 ` Alberto Bertogli
2009-05-25 12:22 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-25 17:46 ` Alberto Bertogli
2009-05-26 10:33 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-26 12:52 ` Alberto Bertogli
2009-05-28 19:29 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-06-26 7:26 ` SandeepKsinha
2009-06-26 7:26 ` SandeepKsinha
2009-06-26 8:50 ` SandeepKsinha
2009-06-26 8:50 ` SandeepKsinha
2009-06-26 22:36 ` Alberto Bertogli
2009-06-26 22:53 ` Alan Cox
2009-06-26 22:53 ` Alan Cox
2009-06-28 0:34 ` Neil Brown
2009-06-28 15:30 ` Alberto Bertogli [this message]
2009-06-28 15:30 ` Alberto Bertogli
2009-06-28 22:59 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-26 19:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2] " Alberto Bertogli
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