From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1MPJz2-00032p-EM for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:34:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPJz0-0002zJ-CB for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:34:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPJyv-0002rP-Gr for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:34:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40496 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPJyv-0002r3-3W for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:33:57 -0400 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]:44198) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MPJyu-0007UG-NH for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:33:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPIuF-0001yA-6S for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:25:03 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPJys-0004Vp-6i for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:33:54 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:33:54 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090710173354.GG17114@thorin> References: <87ws6jntc3.fsf@xs4all.nl> <1247079070.26368.25.camel@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Subject: Re: [RFC] New object format for grub2 X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:34:02 -0000 On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:57:43AM +0200, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Pavel Roskin wrote: > > Hello, Marco! > > > > On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 16:27 +0200, Marco Gerards wrote: > > > >> There is another problem with this: the maintainance burden.  People > >> know ELF, we have ELF and people will know ELF in the future. > >> Furthermore, as far as I am concerned, GNU/Linux is our main > >> platform.  I do not mind supporting windows or so and we can support > >> it in a sane way, but changing our binary formats for it is one step > >> too far for me... > > > > There is actually a maintenance burden that is caused by the need to > > support the ELF format.  We need to strip some sections from the modules > > for GRUB to process them correctly. > > > What about SELF? (coreboot format) If it's sane I would prefer to > share a format between these 2 projects. I think the most important advantage of using ELF binaries is that it was widely available & very mature utilities to work with them. I don't know SELF in detail, but if it prevents us from e.g. running objdump on our binaries then I think it's a bad idea. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."