From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1MSG8H-0000M1-GF for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:03:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSG8F-0000Lb-N9 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:03:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSG8B-0000FG-4L for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:03:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56315 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSG8B-0000F4-15 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:03:39 -0400 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]:59538) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MSG8A-0008Il-Ay for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:03:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MSF2g-0003MY-2J for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:53:58 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MSG7x-0003jj-DK for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:03:25 +0200 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:03:25 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090718200325.GB14330@thorin> References: <20090707135023.GS4727@const.eduroam-ext.univ-nantes.prive> <20090710172248.GD17114@thorin> <20090710174321.GB5471@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> <20090710181346.GB7291@const.famille.thibault.fr> <20090712105104.r3t0ipb5lw0g84o4-cebfxv@webmail.spamcop.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20090712105104.r3t0ipb5lw0g84o4-cebfxv@webmail.spamcop.net> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Subject: Re: Grub & accessibility X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:03:43 -0000 On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:51:04AM -0400, Pavel Roskin wrote: > Quoting Samuel Thibault : > >> (sorry phcoder for the duplication) >> >> Robert Millan, le Fri 10 Jul 2009 19:22:48 +0200, a écrit : >>> We've made some exceptions, but in general, we'd like to keep the GRUB >>> codebase made entirely of FSF-copyrighted code, or at least code we >>> have disclaimers for. >>> >>> OTOH, we don't want to discard valuable work that wasn't written >>> specifically >>> for GRUB. Perhaps Marco or Okuji will allow an exception for this case. >> >> The thing is that it would be sad to re-implement these drivers, as >> getting hardware to make sure they work is hard. > > One of the main advantages of Free Software is that it allows code > sharing. For a GNU project to reject accessibility code solely because > it's copyrighted by others would be a very bad move from the PR > perspective. Hi, We're not going to reject that code, or duplicate their work. I discussed this with Marco two days ago. He approves of the grub-extras project, and thinks we can make this the recommended approach for situations in which we want to import code that wasn't written specifically for GRUB. Had I known about his position, I'd have proposed that some things like LUA be put there. Anyhow, I look forward to more stuff being added to it. grub-extras is integrated with the Debian package, so additions there are merged with it semi-automatically. I won't allow, however, grub-extras to be used as an excuse to avoid paperwork for code specifically written for GRUB. We've had some bad experience with uncooperative developers who refused even signing a disclaimer (which essentially said they wrote the code themselves without infringing someone else's copyright). -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."