From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Sebrecht Subject: learning curve (aka Git User's Survey 2009 partial summary, part 2 - from first 10) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:55:50 +0200 Message-ID: <20090818195550.GB12938@vidovic> References: <200908171224.44686.jnareb@gmail.com> <20090818155452.GA12938@vidovic> <200908181900.03356.jnareb@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: Nicolas Sebrecht , git@vger.kernel.org To: Jakub Narebski X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Tue Aug 18 21:56:17 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@lo.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MdUn2-0006QF-5y for gcvg-git-2@lo.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:56:17 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751563AbZHRTz7 convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:55:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751132AbZHRTz5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:55:57 -0400 Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com ([209.85.219.207]:55791 "EHLO mail-ew0-f207.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751125AbZHRTz4 (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:55:56 -0400 Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so1885638ewy.18 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:55:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=/BV4huLxRut+kiFbLBmtikDRAm0coPgqw0P999F1tS8=; b=EMBIZGcv2xyBcTLPnyWbqTfMDVET69dNXDfIytpfUIlCQxWVFaM5YFMpBXyQwfn7/5 5sFqt7UoXGD9FTfYdCNurv5ftEa6s796t+RqA5OIlwRVMGNnRqVHyJ1TYRBqZGJFl9mQ UpQlRqs+zHaGbQNmAMmyS1+vcJPIhYY2KiNq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; b=ODo/QM+T7tH+DEBJwFRqpr8zFVbbDanKgLu3NUkm7i2fjLon/2FuOl8K39DAriat2l /Tpw24KhVVUswvto4KskKTs1Il0OazcMKYo8jhKQfnphOQopdwsNApkjPoZfT8WZK8Al oezZcD5DrXWaiN0Gy4T51zd6UZkk/quL/aEvM= Received: by 10.210.38.10 with SMTP id l10mr5079438ebl.8.1250625355633; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from @ (83-154-172-251.rev.libertysurf.net [83.154.172.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm926111eyf.8.2009.08.18.12.55.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908181900.03356.jnareb@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: The 18/08/09, Jakub Narebski wrote: > > I believe it would be interesting to know who (from the question 6.= ) > > think what later. We may expect that people of the grade 4 and 5 ("= can > > offer advice" and "know it very well") underestimate the difficulty= to > > learn Git. >=20 > Well, you can do some analysis yourself, using just created filters a= t > http://www.survs.com/shareResults?survey=3D2PIMZGU0&rndm=3D678J66QRA2 Thank you very much. > For example: >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D| > | proficiency with Git | > To learn |-----------------------------| > | any*[%] | 1-3 [%] | 4-5 [%] | > ------------------------------------------------| > Very easy | 4% | 3% | 5% | > Easy | 20% | 19% | 22% | > Reasonably easy | 55% | 55% | 56% | > Hard | 19% | 20% | 16% | > Very hard | 2% | 3% | 1% | > ------------------------------------------------| > Total respondents | 3005 | 1786 | 1212 | > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D| This looks consistent. Here are some more grained summaries based on your filters: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | TO LEARN (%) = | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Proficiency | very easy | easy | reasonably easy | hard | ver= y hard | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D no filter (any) | 4 | 20 | 55 | 19 | = 2 | =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95| 1. novice | 3 | 12 | 49 | 25 | = 11 | 2. casual | 2 | 17 | 54 | 25 | = 3 | 3. everyday use | 4 | 21 | 56 | 18 | = 2 | 4. can offer advice | 4 | 23 | 56 | 17 | = 1 | 5. know it very well | 11 | 20 | 54 | 14 | = 1 | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | TO USE (%) = | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Proficiency | very easy | easy | reasonably easy | hard | ver= y hard | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D no filter (any) | 9 | 37 | 45 | 8 | = 1 | =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95| 1. novice | 5 | 17 | 47 | 25 | = 7 | 2. casual | 5 | 27 | 51 | 15 | = 2 | 3. everyday use | 8 | 36 | 47 | 8 | = 1 | 4. can offer advice | 11 | 44 | 40 | 4 | = 0 | 5. know it very well | 22 | 37 | 36 | 5 | = 1 | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D What appears here first is that the averages of the third category ("everyday day use") are _very_ near from the averages of the whole use= rs. This gives a good confidence in the results. Simplified summary: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | TO LEARN (%) | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Proficiency | (very) easy | reasonably easy | (very) hard | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D no filter (any) | 24 | 55 | 21 | =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95| 1. novice | 15 | 49 | 36 | 2. casual | 19 | 54 | 28 | ----------------------|-------------|-----------------|-------------| 3. everyday use | 25 | 56 | 20 | ----------------------|-------------|-----------------|-------------| 4. can offer advice | 27 | 56 | 18 | 5. know it very well | 31 | 54 | 15 | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | TO USE (%) | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Proficiency | (very) easy | reasonably easy | (very) hard | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D no filter (any) | 36 | 45 | 9 | =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95|=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95| 1. novice | 22 | 47 | 32 | 2. casual | 32 | 51 | 17 | ----------------------|-------------|-----------------|-------------| 3. everyday use | 44 | 47 | 9 | ----------------------|-------------|-----------------|-------------| 4. can offer advice | 55 | 40 | 4 | 5. know it very well | 59 | 36 | 6 | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 Nicolas Sebrecht