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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: linux-pm <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-acpi <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Asynchronous suspend and resume (updated)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:56:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200908182156.30320.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0908180954210.2995-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Tuesday 18 August 2009, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 12 August 2009, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > The following patches introduce a mechanism allowing us to execute device
> > > drivers' suspend and resume callbacks asynchronously during system sleep
> > > transitions, such as suspend to RAM.  The idea is explained in the [1/1] patch
> > > message.
> > 
> > Changes:
> > 
> > * Added [1/7] that fixes kerneldoc comments in drivers/base/power/main.c
> >   (this is a 2.6.32 candidate).
> > 
> > * Added [2/7] adding a framework for representing PM link (idea described
> >   in the patch message).
> > 
> > * [3/7] is the async resume patch (idea described in the patch message).
> > 
> > * [4/7] is the async suspend patch.
> > 
> > * [5/7] - [7/7] set async_suspend for devices in a few selected subsystems.
> > 
> > The patches have been tested on HP nx6325.
> > 
> > Comments welcome.
> 
> I'm not sure about the design of these things.  How much do we care 
> about wasting memory?

Not much.

> Your scheme allocates six pointers for every dependency, plus four pointers
> for every device.

Yes, it does.

> It's possible to reduce this considerably, especially if the parent-child
> dependencies aren't stored explicitly.

Yes, at the expense of increased complexity and reduced performance.

> If you decide to keep this scheme, you should make pm_link_add() check 
> for duplicate dependencies before adding them.

That's correct.

> Also, I think a better approach to the async execution would not
> require adding a struct completion to each device and making each async
> thread wait for the completion to be signalled.  Instead, have a single
> master thread (i.e., the thread doing the suspend) monitor the
> dependencies and have it farm the devices out to async threads as they
> become ready to be suspended or resumed.

Do you mean that the master thread should check the dependencies
_before_ executing, for example, __device_resume() and execute it
asynchronously only if they are already satisfied?  In that case we might lose
the opportunity to save some time.

For example, assume devices A and B depend on C. Say that normally, A would be
handled before B, so if C hasn't finished yet, the A's callback will be
executed synchronously.  Now, if both A and B take time T to complete the
callback and C finishes dT after we've called A synchronously, we'll lose the
chance to save T - dT by handling A and B in parallel.

The master thread might chose another device for asynchronous execution, but
then it should revisit A and B and that still is going to be suboptimal
time-wise in some specific situations (eg. A and B are the last two devices to
handle).

> Finally, devices that don't have async_suspend set should implicitly 
> depend on everything that comes after them (for suspend) or before them 
> (for resume) in the device list.

They do, through dpm_list.

Thanks,
Rafael

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-18 19:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-12 20:18 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Asynchronous suspend and resume Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-12 20:20 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM: Asynchronous resume of devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-12 20:20   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 16:33   ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-14 16:33   ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-15 20:59     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-15 20:59     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-22  9:24       ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-22  9:24       ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-22 21:45         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-22 21:45         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-12 20:21 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] PM: Asynchronous suspend " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-12 20:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 16:35   ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-14 16:35   ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-15 21:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-22  9:25       ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-22  9:25       ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-22 21:46         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-22 21:46         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-15 21:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-12 20:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] PM: Asynchronous suspend and resume for ACPI battery Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-12 20:22   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-12 21:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Asynchronous suspend and resume Alan Stern
2009-08-12 21:43   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-13  8:18     ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-13  8:18     ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-13  8:18       ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-13 18:08       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-13 18:08         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14  3:24         ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-14 11:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 11:58             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 11:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14  3:24         ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-13 18:08       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-13 14:45     ` Alan Stern
2009-08-13 14:45     ` Alan Stern
2009-08-13 18:28       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-13 18:28       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-13 18:39         ` Alan Stern
2009-08-13 21:10           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-13 21:10           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-13 18:39         ` Alan Stern
2009-08-13 21:53     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-13 21:53     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 14:45       ` Alan Stern
2009-08-14 19:12         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 19:12         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 21:21           ` Alan Stern
2009-08-14 21:21           ` Alan Stern
2009-08-14 21:31             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 21:37               ` Alan Stern
2009-08-14 21:37               ` Alan Stern
2009-08-16 10:29               ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-16 10:29                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-16 10:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 21:31             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-14 14:45       ` Alan Stern
2009-08-12 21:43   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-12 21:12 ` Alan Stern
2009-08-14 16:33 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-14 16:33 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-15 21:00   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-15 21:00   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Asynchronous suspend and resume (updated) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:15   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:16   ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] PM: Update kerneldoc comments in drivers/base/power/main.c Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:16   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-19 21:57     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-19 22:00       ` Randy Dunlap
2009-08-19 22:00       ` Randy Dunlap
2009-08-19 22:06       ` Greg KH
2009-08-19 22:06       ` Greg KH
2009-08-19 22:28       ` Alan Stern
2009-08-19 22:28       ` Alan Stern
2009-08-19 23:14         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-19 23:14         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-20 14:00           ` Alan Stern
2009-08-20 14:00           ` Alan Stern
2009-08-19 21:57     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-26 15:44     ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-26 15:44     ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-17  0:17   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] PM: Framework for representing PM links between devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-21 22:27     ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7 update] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-21 22:27     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:17   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:18   ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] PM: Asynchronous resume of I/O devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:18   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-23 22:09     ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7 updated] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-23 22:09     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:19   ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] PM: Asynchronous suspend " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:19   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:20   ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] PM: Asynchronous suspend and resume of PCI devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18  6:57     ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-18  6:57       ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-18 13:47       ` Alan Stern
2009-08-18 13:47       ` Alan Stern
2009-08-18  6:57     ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-17  0:20   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:20   ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] PM: Asynchronous suspend and resume of ACPI devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:20   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-17  0:21   ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] PM: Asynchronous suspend and resume of i8042 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18  7:03     ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-18  7:03       ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-18 19:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 23:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 23:40           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 23:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 19:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-26 15:43       ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-26 15:43       ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-18  7:03     ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-17  0:21   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18  1:59   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Asynchronous suspend and resume (updated) Zhang Rui
2009-08-18  1:59   ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-18  7:16   ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-18  7:16     ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-18 20:01     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 20:01     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 20:01       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 23:58       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 23:58       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 23:58         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-19  1:05         ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-19  1:05           ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-19 21:02           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-21  7:40             ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-21  7:40             ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-19 21:02           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-19  1:05         ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-26 15:44     ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-26 15:44     ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-18  7:16   ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-18 14:04   ` Alan Stern
2009-08-18 14:04   ` Alan Stern
2009-08-18 19:56     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 19:56     ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2009-08-18 20:22       ` Alan Stern
2009-08-18 22:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-19 14:07           ` Alan Stern
2009-08-19 14:07           ` Alan Stern
2009-08-19 21:17             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-19 22:34               ` Alan Stern
2009-08-19 22:34               ` Alan Stern
2009-08-20 15:56                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-20 15:56                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-19 21:17             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 22:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-08-18 20:22       ` Alan Stern
2009-08-26 13:20     ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-26 13:20     ` Pavel Machek

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