From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Mdlja-00036e-O2 for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:01:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MdljY-00036Q-RG for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:01:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MdljU-00035F-6p for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:01:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49405 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MdljU-00035C-2i for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:01:44 -0400 Received: from xvm-190-8.ghst.net ([217.70.190.8]:37825 helo=aybabtu.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MdljT-0005dV-HH for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:01:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MdljP-0007HT-N0 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:01:39 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MdljP-00016u-45 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:01:39 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:01:39 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090819140139.GA4210@thorin> References: <4A8BDB5B.5000407@labri.fr> <200908191425.29202.michael@gorven.za.net> <200908191524.42432.michael@gorven.za.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908191524.42432.michael@gorven.za.net> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: Re: TPM support status ? X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:01:49 -0000 On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 03:24:34PM +0200, Michael Gorven wrote: > > > The only valid argument I see against TPM is the > > > supporting-possibly-harmful-technology one. But then we shouldn't use > > > crypto at all because it can be used for DRM... > > > > It's not just "possibly harmful", it's "designed with harm in the mind". > > Disagree. Can you give a reason not to provide the owner with any of: - A printed copy of the private key corresponding to the chip he paid for. - A button in the back of the chip that disables "hostile mode" and makes it sign everything that was asked for (so-called "owner override") ...other than implementing features that restrict the owner? -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."