From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Mdlrw-000131-1d for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:10:28 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mdlru-0000xq-3f for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:10:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mdlrp-0000eh-Hh for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:10:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47248 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mdlrp-0000eN-Fi for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:10:21 -0400 Received: from xvm-190-8.ghst.net ([217.70.190.8]:38517 helo=aybabtu.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mdlro-0006xr-Kd for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:10:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mdlrl-0007I7-LC for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:10:17 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mdlrl-0001DK-2a for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:10:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:10:17 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090819141017.GB4210@thorin> References: <4A8BDB5B.5000407@labri.fr> <200908191425.29202.michael@gorven.za.net> <200908191524.42432.michael@gorven.za.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908191524.42432.michael@gorven.za.net> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: Re: TPM support status ? X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:10:26 -0000 On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 03:24:34PM +0200, Michael Gorven wrote: > If you don't want to follow their requirements, then don't. They never had the right to impose arbitrary requirements to media they produce. Under the US Constitution (and just about every jurisdiction in the world) they can't ever get absolute rights over data once they hand it over to you. In other words, there's no such thing as "intellectual property". And this "you opted in" argument is a fallacy. If people were free to choose between a crippled and a non-crippled option, they would always choose the non-crippled one. The only way they ever accept those terms is either because they don't have choice or they're missinformed. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."