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From: Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] thermal: add sanity check for the passive attribute
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:48:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200908261848.29897.elendil@planet.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090826162342.GA15868@srcf.ucam.org>

On Wednesday 26 August 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 06:17:23PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > Values below 40000 milli-celsius (limit is somewhat arbitrary)
> > don't make sense and can cause the system to go into a thermal
> > heart attack: the actual temperature will always be lower and
> > thus the system will be throttled down to its lowest setting.
>
> Not keen on this - it's a pretty arbitrary cutoff, and there are some
> cases where someone might want this value. Policy belongs in userspace,
> and all that.

What cases do you see? Testing? Or systems that might have to operate at 
such a low temperature? I deliberately chose a value that's at a level 
that's easy to reach.

I agree it is arbitrary, but it will prevent major confusion when someone 
like me echo's 95 directly in sysfs.
Would 1000 (1 °C) perhaps be more acceptable as a limit? I doubt there are 
valid use-cases for below 0 temps :-)
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From: Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] thermal: add sanity check for the passive attribute
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:48:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200908261848.29897.elendil@planet.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090826162342.GA15868@srcf.ucam.org>

On Wednesday 26 August 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 06:17:23PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > Values below 40000 milli-celsius (limit is somewhat arbitrary)
> > don't make sense and can cause the system to go into a thermal
> > heart attack: the actual temperature will always be lower and
> > thus the system will be throttled down to its lowest setting.
>
> Not keen on this - it's a pretty arbitrary cutoff, and there are some
> cases where someone might want this value. Policy belongs in userspace,
> and all that.

What cases do you see? Testing? Or systems that might have to operate at 
such a low temperature? I deliberately chose a value that's at a level 
that's easy to reach.

I agree it is arbitrary, but it will prevent major confusion when someone 
like me echo's 95 directly in sysfs.
Would 1000 (1 °C) perhaps be more acceptable as a limit? I doubt there are 
valid use-cases for below 0 temps :-)

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-26 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-26 16:17 [PATCH 0/6] thermal: improvements re. forced passive cooling Frans Pop
2009-08-26 16:17 ` [PATCH 1/6] thermal: sysfs-api.txt - reformat for improved readability Frans Pop
2009-08-26 16:17 ` [PATCH 2/6] thermal: sysfs-api.txt - document passive attribute for thermal zones Frans Pop
2009-08-31  8:18   ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-31 11:19     ` Frans Pop
2009-09-01  0:44       ` Zhang Rui
2009-09-02 20:02         ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-03 14:34           ` Frans Pop
2009-08-26 16:17 ` [PATCH 3/6] acpi: thermal: display forced passive trip points in proc Frans Pop
2009-08-31  8:20   ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-26 16:17 ` [PATCH 4/6] thermal: add sanity check for the passive attribute Frans Pop
2009-08-26 16:23   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-08-26 16:48     ` Frans Pop [this message]
2009-08-26 16:48       ` Frans Pop
2009-08-31  8:33       ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-31  8:33         ` Zhang Rui
2009-08-31 10:30         ` Frans Pop
2009-08-31 10:30           ` Frans Pop
2009-09-03  6:10           ` Zhang Rui
2009-09-03  6:10             ` Zhang Rui
2009-09-03 14:33             ` [PATCH 4/6,v2] " Frans Pop
2009-09-03 14:33               ` Frans Pop
2009-08-26 16:17 ` [PATCH 5/6] thermal: Only set passive_delay for forced passive cooling Frans Pop
2009-08-26 16:25   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-09-10 16:07     ` Frans Pop
2009-09-10 16:15       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-08-26 16:17 ` [PATCH 6/6] thermal: disable polling if passive_delay and polling_delay are both unset Frans Pop
2009-08-26 16:25   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-09-11  6:08 ` [PATCH 0/6] thermal: improvements re. forced passive cooling Frans Pop
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2009-10-26  7:38 [PATCH 0/6] [resend] " Frans Pop
2009-10-26  7:39 ` [PATCH 4/6] thermal: add sanity check for the passive attribute Frans Pop

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