From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1MiRcQ-0002Vx-27 for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:33:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MiRcJ-0002Us-D7 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:33:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MiRcB-0002Tk-UJ for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:33:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35656 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MiRcA-0002Tb-Rb for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:33:30 -0400 Received: from xvm-190-8.ghst.net ([217.70.190.8]:42363 helo=aybabtu.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MiRcA-0006QH-Ac for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:33:30 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiRc5-0003FR-OM for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:33:25 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiRc4-0006aB-WC for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:33:25 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:33:24 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090901113324.GA25290@thorin> References: <20090716155631.GE6771@thorin> <4A9BD1F3.6000008@peda.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A9BD1F3.6000008@peda.net> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: Re: [PATCH] reset USB controller X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:33:40 -0000 On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 04:36:51PM +0300, Mikko Rantalainen wrote: > >> Is there some way we can make this simpler without compromising on boot > >> speed? Adding more setup burden to the user should be the last ressort > >> IMO. > >> > > [...] > > Another usage is if OS doesn't deal with situation correctly. > > [...] > > If you consider this patch too hackish it can stay in my repo and > > people who really need can be said to use my repo or external module. > > If you consider this tweak possibility reasonable we can merge it > > I don't know if the code quality is up to the requirements for getting > in the official trunk but I don't think that any method to deal with > broken BIOS or hardware cannot be too hackish. If the hardware (and this > includes the firmware) is broken and there's some hack that can make it > usable, just apply the hack. IMHO. Working around broken BIOS or hardware can be ok. It's putting burden on the user what sounds problematic. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."