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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	chris.mason@oracle.com, david@fromorbit.com, tytso@mit.edu,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, jack@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] vm: Add an tuning knob for vm.max_writeback_pages
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:56:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090901235645.GD1321@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090901235218.GC1321@shareable.org>

Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:38:55PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > Do we really need a tunable for this?
> > 
> > It will make increasing it in the field a lot easier.  And having deal
> > with really large systems I have the fear that there are I/O topologies
> > outhere for which every "reasonable" value is too low.
> >
> > > I guess we need a limit to avoid it writing out everything, but can't we
> > > have something automagic?
> > 
> > Some automatic adjustment would be nice.  But finding the right auto
> > tuning will be an interesting exercise.
> 
> I have embedded systems with 32MB RAM and no MMU, where I deliberately
> make the equivalent of max_writeback_pages *smaller* to limit the
> number of dirty pages causing fragmentation and preventing allocation
> of high-order pages...  Write performance is less important than being
> able to allocate contiguous memory for reads.
> 
> They are still using 2.4 kernels, but the principle still applies.
> maybe even more on 2.6 which is more prone to fragmentation on small
> no-MMU devices.

Sorry, I must get more sleep.  I confused max_writeback_pages with the
limit on dirty pages in the system, which is completely different.

So please ignore my previous mail.

*little*,
-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-01 23:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-01 11:18 [PATCH 0/8] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v16 Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 11:18 ` [PATCH 1/8] writeback: move super_block argument to struct writeback_control Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 11:55   ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-01 11:55     ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-01 11:57     ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-01 11:57       ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-01 12:05       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 14:06         ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-01 21:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-02  6:45     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 11:19 ` [PATCH 2/8] writeback: move dirty inodes from super_block to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 11:19 ` [PATCH 3/8] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 11:19 ` [PATCH 4/8] writeback: get rid of pdflush completely Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 11:19 ` [PATCH 5/8] writeback: add some debug inode list counters to bdi stats Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 11:19 ` [PATCH 6/8] writeback: add name to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 11:19 ` [PATCH 7/8] writeback: check for registered bdi in flusher add and inode dirty Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 11:19 ` [PATCH 8/8] vm: Add an tuning knob for vm.max_writeback_pages Jens Axboe
2009-09-01 18:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-01 18:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-01 20:27       ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-02  7:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-02  7:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-01 23:52       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-01 23:56         ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-02  8:42 [PATCH 0/8] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v17 Jens Axboe
2009-09-02  8:42 ` [PATCH 8/8] vm: Add an tuning knob for vm.max_writeback_pages Jens Axboe

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