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From: Imre Deak <imre.deak@nokia.com>
To: ext Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Steven Walter <stevenrwalter@gmail.com>,
	David Xiao <dxiao@broadcom.com>, Ben Dooks <ben-linux@fluff.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	v4l2_linux <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: How to efficiently handle DMA and cache on ARMv7 ? (was "Is get_user_pages() enough to prevent pages from being swapped out ?")
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:31:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090903073151.GA25928@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090902151044.GG30183@localhost>

On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 05:10:44PM +0200, Deak Imre (Nokia-D/Helsinki) wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 03:43:48PM +0200, ext Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > [...]
> > I might be missing something obvious, but I fail to see how VIVT caches could 
> > work at all with multiple mappings. If a kernel-allocated buffer is DMA'ed to, 
> > we certainly want to invalidate all cache lines that store buffer data. As the 
> > cache doesn't care about physical addresses we thus need to invalidate all 
> > virtual mappings for the buffer. If the buffer is mmap'ed in userspace I don't 
> > see how that would be done.
> 
> To my understanding buffers returned by dma_alloc_*, kmalloc, vmalloc
> are ok:
> 
> The cache lines for direct mapping are flushed in dma_alloc_* and
> vmalloc. After this you are not supposed to access the buffers
> through the direct mapping until you're done with the DMA.
> 
> For kmalloc you use the direct mapping in the first place, so the
> flush in dma_map_* will be enough.
> 
> For user mappings I think you'd have to do an additional flush for
> the direct mapping, while the user mapping is flushed in dma_map_*.

Based on the the discussion so far this is my understanding on how
zero-copy DMA is possible on ARM. Could you please confirm / correct
these? :

- user space passes an arbitrary buffer:
  - get_user_pages(user address range)
  - DMA(user address range)
  - user space reads from the buffer

  Problems:
  - not supported according to Russell
  - unhandled faults for cache ops on not-present PTEs, but patch
    from Laurent fixes this

- mmap a kernel buffer to user space with cacheable mapping:
  - user space writes to the buffer
  - flush cache(user address range)
  - DMA(kernel buffer)
  - user space reads from the buffer

  The additional flush cache is needed for VIVT/aliasing VIPT.
  Instead of the flush cache:
  - the mapping can be done with writethrough, non-writeallocate or
    non-cacheable mapping, or
  - for aliasing VIPT a non-aliasing user address is picked

DMA(address range) is:
  - dma_map_*(address range)
  - perform DMA to/from address range
  - dma_unmap_*(address range)

Thanks,
Imre


  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-03  7:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-06 10:08 How to efficiently handle DMA and cache on ARMv7 ? (was "Is get_user_pages() enough to prevent pages from being swapped out ?") Laurent Pinchart
2009-08-06 11:46 ` Ben Dooks
2009-08-06 13:06   ` Laurent Pinchart
2009-08-06 18:46     ` David Xiao
2009-08-06 19:16       ` Chetan.Loke
2009-08-06 20:15       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 22:25       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-08-07  5:59         ` David Xiao
2009-08-07  7:58           ` Laurent Pinchart
2009-08-07  8:10             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-08-07  9:54               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-07  9:59                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-08-07 12:07                 ` Laurent Desnogues
2009-08-07 12:07                   ` Laurent Desnogues
2009-08-07 13:15                   ` Robin Holt
2009-08-07 19:01                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-08-07 20:11                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2009-08-07 20:28                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-08-07 22:25                           ` David Xiao
2009-08-10 13:49                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2009-08-07  8:08           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-08-07 10:23           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-07 19:03             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-08-11  9:31           ` Catalin Marinas
2009-08-11 18:23             ` David Xiao
2009-08-07  7:48         ` Laurent Pinchart
2009-08-25 12:53         ` Steven Walter
2009-08-25 12:53           ` Steven Walter
2009-08-25 22:02           ` David Xiao
2009-08-25 23:17             ` Laurent Pinchart
2009-08-26 17:22               ` David Xiao
2009-09-01 13:31                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-01 18:08                   ` David Xiao
2009-09-01 13:28           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-01 13:43             ` Laurent Pinchart
2009-09-01 14:18               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-01 16:53                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-09-02 15:10               ` Imre Deak
2009-09-03  7:31                 ` Imre Deak [this message]
2009-09-03  8:36                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-08 13:05                   ` Steven Walter
2009-09-08 13:05                     ` Steven Walter
2009-08-07  7:29       ` Laurent Pinchart
2009-08-07  8:12         ` Matthieu CASTET
2009-08-07 10:13           ` How to efficiently handle DMA and cache on ARMv7 ? (was " Is " Laurent Pinchart
2009-08-07 10:13             ` Laurent Pinchart

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