From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1MnLDK-0006BI-K1 for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:44:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnLDJ-0006BD-9o for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:44:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnLDD-0006Ar-S6 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:44:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41437 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MnLDD-0006Ao-N1 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:43:59 -0400 Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.142]:56725) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MnLDD-0004YX-16 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:43:59 -0400 Received: from [82.69.40.219] (helo=riva.pelham.vpn.ucam.org) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MnLDB-0006hW-Tv for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:43:58 +0000 Received: from cjwatson by riva.pelham.vpn.ucam.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) for grub-devel@gnu.org id 1MnLDA-0007RJ-00; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:43:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:43:55 +0100 From: Colin Watson To: grub-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <20090914234355.GS13423@riva.ucam.org> References: <20090911131709.GC7959@thorin> <20090912125452.GB11249@thorin> <20090914153226.GA25403@thorin> <1252955497.4336.5.camel@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [82.69.40.219] X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: Re: About firmware facilities X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:44:05 -0000 I don't have relevant experience regarding multiboot in general, but ... On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:53:12AM +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: > The same would apply to internationalization - GRUB should tell the OS > which language/locale it used, so that the OS can automatically use > the same language as a default (especially for OS installation CDs). Speaking as an OS installer developer, I'd actively prefer GRUB not to try to do this via specialised methods like multiboot. I don't want to have to maintain language lists and what-have-you in yet another place, cope with all the usual slight variations (e.g. things like pt_BR, or God-help-us something like the hopelessly inadequate language list in the USB keyboard specification), and cope with the fact that there are still more boot loaders out there than just GRUB and so some other mechanism needs to be maintained anyway. Any OS installer that can take advantage of this kind of thing almost certainly already has facilities to simply pass the appropriate locale code as a boot parameter. GRUB should just use that. That means it's accessible to the scripting interface, and so any necessary fixups will be much easier to understand and maintain. -- Colin Watson [cjwatson@ubuntu.com]