From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Mp79r-0005Bm-3A for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:07:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mp79p-0005AM-MP for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:07:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mp79k-0005A8-7n for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:07:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34014 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mp79k-0005A5-1t for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:07:44 -0400 Received: from xvm-190-8.ghst.net ([217.70.190.8]:44751 helo=aybabtu.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mp79j-00075l-LE for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:07:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mp79h-000381-Ej for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:07:41 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mp79g-0004Dv-6U for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:07:40 +0200 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:07:40 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090919210740.GA16223@thorin> References: <1252587711.2908.38.camel@fz.local> <20090911131709.GC7959@thorin> <20090912125452.GB11249@thorin> <20090914153226.GA25403@thorin> <1252955497.4336.5.camel@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1252955497.4336.5.camel@mj> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: Re: About firmware facilities X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:07:49 -0000 On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 04:27 +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Robert Millan wrote: > > Anyhow, my priority for GRUB is strong driver-based support. We could recruit > > someone to develop the framework in next year's GSoC (unless somebody steps > > in, of course). > > Why stop there? > > If proprietory ethernet ROMs aren't good enough, then what about > proprietory SCSI ROMs, and proprietory firmware/BIOS? As I said, we have to compromise sometimes. But if you aren't satisfied with the freedom we provide, you're more than welcome to help us go further. For example, you could help us improve the coreboot port. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:11:37PM -0400, Pavel Roskin wrote: > > > > Sigh. I think I understand now - lack of logical thinking leads to > > lack of rational behavior. > > Ad hominem arguments are not welcome here. Indeed. Brendan, we accept reasonable criticism, but this kind of rethoric is not welcome here, and is particularly useless if your aim is trying to persuade us. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."