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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: rostedt@goodmis.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca, a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, acme@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mhiramat@redhat.com, postmaster@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: mailing list for trace users
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:30:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090923193020.GA20934@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090923.111444.247045711.davem@davemloft.net>


* David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:

> From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:47:25 +0200
> 
> > Could you please also create the linux-perf-users list, for perf 
> > events and the perf tool related user questions? (We have asked for 
> > this before but must have gotten lost somewhere)
> 
> I think your communities are similar enough and small enough that you 
> could share this list.

It's two separate subsystems. There's a lot of non-tracing aspects of 
performance events: it does profiling, counting, latency analysis, etc. 
The tool is named 'perf', the subsystem is named 'performance events', 
and the most typical workflows dont do any tracing.

And i beg to differ about the size of the communities. It's just been 
added upstream...

Also, what is the policy for adding new lists to vger.kernel.org? If a 
subsystem maintainer asks for a list named after a core kernel 
subsystem, how frequently is it rejected, and on what basis?

I find it sad that such an arbitrary looking negative decision from you 
forces a user list away from vger. I wouldnt mind it to be closed if it 
has no significant traffic after a year or lifetime or so - many vger 
lists have almost no traffic to begin with.

Also, i cannot help but to observe the fact that you've fought the 
original perfcounters project in a very ugly and public way less than a 
year ago. Dont you think that you 'deciding' this matter in such a 
negative fashion is a conflict of interest?

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-23 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-16 20:16 mailing list for trace users Steven Rostedt
2009-09-21 19:17 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-22  0:46   ` Li Zefan
2009-09-22  9:31     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-21 19:50 ` John Kacur
2009-09-22  9:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22 10:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-22 11:51     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-22 11:18   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-22 11:28   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-22 11:34     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22 11:47       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-22 11:51         ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22 11:54           ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-22 13:53             ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-22 14:03               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22 19:09                 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-22 19:14                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23  8:26                     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-22 20:17           ` [perf] Finding uninstalled modules Was " Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-09-23  8:31             ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23  8:37               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2009-09-23  9:15               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23  9:20               ` [patch] " Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23  9:55                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 10:02                   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23 11:31                   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23 12:00                     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23 12:58                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 13:06                       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23 13:10                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 13:50                         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23 14:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 14:09                             ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23 14:39                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 14:52                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23 14:56                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 15:05                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23 15:09                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 15:26                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-24  8:07                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-24 11:01                                           ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf tools: Handle relative paths while loading module symbols tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2009-09-23 11:49                 ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf tools: Fix module symbol loading bug tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2009-09-22 22:32 ` mailing list for trace users David Miller
2009-09-23 11:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 16:45     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-09-23 17:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 18:07         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-09-23 20:07           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 18:14     ` David Miller
2009-09-23 19:30       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-09-23 19:40         ` John Kacur
2009-09-23 19:42           ` John Kacur
2009-09-23 19:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 21:24               ` Steven Rostedt
2009-09-23 21:41                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 21:56                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 19:49           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 20:08             ` John Kacur
2009-09-23 21:54         ` David Miller
2009-09-23 22:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 22:47         ` David Miller
2009-09-24 11:51           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 11:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 18:12     ` David Miller
2009-09-23 19:41       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 21:55         ` David Miller
2009-09-23 22:10           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-23 22:41             ` David Miller
2009-09-24 11:16               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-24 16:40                 ` David Miller
2009-09-24 18:58                 ` David Miller
2009-09-24 19:22                   ` Ingo Molnar

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