From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Mrr9p-0005Ze-PR for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:39:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mrr9n-0005ZO-W4 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:39:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mrr9i-0005Z0-3T for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:39:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55713 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mrr9h-0005Yx-UZ for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:39:01 -0400 Received: from xvm-190-8.ghst.net ([217.70.190.8]:55504 helo=aybabtu.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mrr9h-0005T7-FK for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:39:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mrr9c-0000QV-S2; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:38:57 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mrr9b-0005wD-Ee; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:38:55 +0200 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:38:55 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: Bron Gondwana Message-ID: <20090927103855.GA22813@thorin> References: <4ABBC1F5.70808@redhat.com> <20090924202146.GA16412@thorin> <20090924223810.GA2638@brong.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090924223810.GA2638@brong.net> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Cc: The development of GRUB 2 , Ric Wheeler , Chris Mason , The development of BTRFS Subject: Re: grub-0.97: btrfs multidevice support [PATCH] X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:39:08 -0000 On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 08:38:10AM +1000, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > Edward - please do continue to develop patches for GRUB 1 (the one that > still actually works plenty well enough for lots of people) and ignore the > naysayers who are happy to throw out backwards compatibility. > > Sometimes you have to maintain crappy code because people out there depend > on it. And we thank those who step up and do it rather than throw their > hands up and pretend it doesn't need doing! Btw, I just wanted to add that although we decide to focus on the codebase that has a future, it doesn't bother me at all that GRUB Legacy is useful to others. We made it free software so that it enables as many users as possible to use their computer in freedom, and so that distributors can adopt it despite our disrecommendation. I don't regret that they have the practical means to disagree with us and take a different path. It's precisely the freedom we wanted them to benefit from! Nevertheless, grub-devel is a mailing list for coordination of GRUB 2 development. Most of us are volunteers and our time is quite limited, so bringing up GRUB Legacy development here is at best a distraction. I'll appreciate if you won't do that anymore. Thanks for listening -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all." From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Robert Millan Subject: Re: grub-0.97: btrfs multidevice support [PATCH] Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:38:55 +0200 Message-ID: <20090927103855.GA22813@thorin> References: <4ABBC1F5.70808@redhat.com> <20090924202146.GA16412@thorin> <20090924223810.GA2638@brong.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: The development of GRUB 2 , The development of BTRFS , Chris Mason , Ric Wheeler To: Bron Gondwana Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20090924223810.GA2638@brong.net> List-ID: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 08:38:10AM +1000, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > Edward - please do continue to develop patches for GRUB 1 (the one that > still actually works plenty well enough for lots of people) and ignore the > naysayers who are happy to throw out backwards compatibility. > > Sometimes you have to maintain crappy code because people out there depend > on it. And we thank those who step up and do it rather than throw their > hands up and pretend it doesn't need doing! Btw, I just wanted to add that although we decide to focus on the codebase that has a future, it doesn't bother me at all that GRUB Legacy is useful to others. We made it free software so that it enables as many users as possible to use their computer in freedom, and so that distributors can adopt it despite our disrecommendation. I don't regret that they have the practical means to disagree with us and take a different path. It's precisely the freedom we wanted them to benefit from! Nevertheless, grub-devel is a mailing list for coordination of GRUB 2 development. Most of us are volunteers and our time is quite limited, so bringing up GRUB Legacy development here is at best a distraction. I'll appreciate if you won't do that anymore. Thanks for listening -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."