From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net>
Cc: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Koskinen Aaro \(Nokia-D/Helsinki\)" <aaro.koskinen@nokia.com>,
linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:09:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091012120951.GA16799@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091012140149.6789efab@marrow.netinsight.se>
* Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net> wrote:
> (Risking that Artem also replies, I'll bite on this one! Let's hope we
> agree at least :-))
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:37:58 +0200
> Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> > > - if (mtd->panic_write && in_interrupt())
> > > + if (mtd->panic_write && (in_interrupt() || panic_on_oops))
> > > /* Interrupt context, we're going to panic so try and log */
> > > mtdoops_write(cxt, 1);
> >
> > Hm, the code seems to be somewhat confused about this. It tries to guess
> > when it's panic-ing, right? in_interrupt() is the wrong test for that.
>
> Well, the main reason is to get the write done directly if we know
> we're going to crash. The rest of the code around the patch looks like
> this:
>
> if (mtd->panic_write && (in_interrupt() || panic_on_oops))
> /* Interrupt context, we're going to panic so try and log */
> mtdoops_write(cxt, 1);
> else
> schedule_work(&cxt->work_write);
>
> so if we're oopsing in interrupt context or are going to panic, we
> just write directly. mtdoops_write will then use mtd->panic_write if
> it's available to get the write done immediately without sleeping.
but i'm not sure that code achieves your intention.
in_interrupt() is a generic test. It will be true whenever you printk in
irq context - be that a panic or not a panic.
Also, the panic_on_oops usage looks wrong as well: it is set on a system
that wants a panic on oops - but the flag will be set all the time, even
when we are not oopsing.
I suppose the intention is to add a logic like this:
- buffer writes to the MTD async writeout thread for regular printks
- if we are in some sort of emergency, write to the MTD device directly
as we cannot buffer anymore.
Correct?
> [...]
>
> To handle the panic case, I've simply added a panic notifier which
> does
>
> static int mtdoops_panic(struct notifier_block *this, unsigned long event,
> void *ptr)
> {
> struct mtdoops_context *cxt = &oops_cxt;
>
> cancel_work_sync(&cxt->work_write);
> cxt->ready = 0;
> if (cxt->mtd->panic_write)
> mtdoops_write(cxt, 1);
> else
> printk(KERN_WARNING "mtdoops: panic_write is not defined, "
> "cannot store dump from panic\n");
>
> return NOTIFY_DONE;
> }
>
> So with this one, the exported panic_on_oops is no longer needed, and
> normal oopses are handled by the scheduled work while panic_on_oopses
> are handled by the panic handler.
Yes, that looks like the better direction - but 'panic' is still the
wrong trigger condition i think. We generally just crash and dont panic.
Often we'll display a kernel warning and then hang. Etc.
Also, would it be possible to just simplify the thing and not do any
buffering at all? Extra buffering complexity in a console driver is only
asking for trouble. Or is flash storage write cycles optimization that
important in this case?
Ingo
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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net>
Cc: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Koskinen Aaro (Nokia-D/Helsinki)" <aaro.koskinen@nokia.com>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:09:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091012120951.GA16799@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091012140149.6789efab@marrow.netinsight.se>
* Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net> wrote:
> (Risking that Artem also replies, I'll bite on this one! Let's hope we
> agree at least :-))
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:37:58 +0200
> Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> > > - if (mtd->panic_write && in_interrupt())
> > > + if (mtd->panic_write && (in_interrupt() || panic_on_oops))
> > > /* Interrupt context, we're going to panic so try and log */
> > > mtdoops_write(cxt, 1);
> >
> > Hm, the code seems to be somewhat confused about this. It tries to guess
> > when it's panic-ing, right? in_interrupt() is the wrong test for that.
>
> Well, the main reason is to get the write done directly if we know
> we're going to crash. The rest of the code around the patch looks like
> this:
>
> if (mtd->panic_write && (in_interrupt() || panic_on_oops))
> /* Interrupt context, we're going to panic so try and log */
> mtdoops_write(cxt, 1);
> else
> schedule_work(&cxt->work_write);
>
> so if we're oopsing in interrupt context or are going to panic, we
> just write directly. mtdoops_write will then use mtd->panic_write if
> it's available to get the write done immediately without sleeping.
but i'm not sure that code achieves your intention.
in_interrupt() is a generic test. It will be true whenever you printk in
irq context - be that a panic or not a panic.
Also, the panic_on_oops usage looks wrong as well: it is set on a system
that wants a panic on oops - but the flag will be set all the time, even
when we are not oopsing.
I suppose the intention is to add a logic like this:
- buffer writes to the MTD async writeout thread for regular printks
- if we are in some sort of emergency, write to the MTD device directly
as we cannot buffer anymore.
Correct?
> [...]
>
> To handle the panic case, I've simply added a panic notifier which
> does
>
> static int mtdoops_panic(struct notifier_block *this, unsigned long event,
> void *ptr)
> {
> struct mtdoops_context *cxt = &oops_cxt;
>
> cancel_work_sync(&cxt->work_write);
> cxt->ready = 0;
> if (cxt->mtd->panic_write)
> mtdoops_write(cxt, 1);
> else
> printk(KERN_WARNING "mtdoops: panic_write is not defined, "
> "cannot store dump from panic\n");
>
> return NOTIFY_DONE;
> }
>
> So with this one, the exported panic_on_oops is no longer needed, and
> normal oopses are handled by the scheduled work while panic_on_oopses
> are handled by the panic handler.
Yes, that looks like the better direction - but 'panic' is still the
wrong trigger condition i think. We generally just crash and dont panic.
Often we'll display a kernel warning and then hang. Etc.
Also, would it be possible to just simplify the thing and not do any
buffering at all? Extra buffering complexity in a console driver is only
asking for trouble. Or is flash storage write cycles optimization that
important in this case?
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-12 12:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-11 6:10 [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-11 6:10 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 11:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 11:23 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 11:23 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 11:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:09 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-10-12 12:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:15 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:15 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:33 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:33 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:48 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:48 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 13:06 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 13:06 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 13:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:39 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 13:39 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 14:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 15:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 15:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 15:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:29 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 17:29 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 17:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 18:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:36 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:36 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 18:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 19:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 19:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-13 7:58 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 7:58 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 8:57 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-13 8:57 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-13 13:17 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:17 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:21 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:21 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 4/5]: core: Add dump device to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-26 9:36 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-26 9:36 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 7:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 7:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 7:46 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 7:46 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 8:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 8:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:35 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 9:35 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 9:40 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:40 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:53 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-11-30 9:53 ` Simon Kagstrom
[not found] ` <1259580207.19465.379.camel@macbook.infradead.org>
[not found] ` <20091130123752.39727115@marrow.netinsight.se>
[not found] ` <1259582202.19465.388.camel@macbook.infradead.org>
2009-11-30 12:03 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-11-30 9:54 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 9:54 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 10:23 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 10:23 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 10:27 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 10:27 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 9:09 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:09 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:28 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-11-30 9:28 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a dump_device Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:34 ` [PATCH v6 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:34 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:40 ` [PATCH v6 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:40 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 4/5]: core: Add kernel message dumper to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a kmsg_dumper Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 15:12 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 15:12 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-15 5:11 ` vimal singh
2009-10-15 5:11 ` vimal singh
2009-10-12 12:27 ` [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:27 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:08 ` Alan Cox
2009-10-12 13:08 ` Alan Cox
2009-10-12 13:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:32 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 13:32 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 14:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:36 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 14:36 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 15:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:32 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-12 18:32 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-12 14:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
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