From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Koskinen Aaro \(Nokia-D/Helsinki\)" <aaro.koskinen@nokia.com>,
linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:14:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091012151431.GC14004@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1255358181.9111.14.camel@macbook.infradead.org>
* David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:26 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > Not if the failure is say a s2ram hang that requires a power cycle.
> > Also there are certain classes of bugs that only occur on cold boot.
> > Plus there's the "need to unplug the battery to revive the system"
> > class of bugs (but they are rare).
>
> So you need to build in enough ECC to cope with the decay which
> happens when RAM isn't being refreshed for a few seconds... :)
[ hey, i think you should line up with BIOS writers at that wall ;-) ]
> > So i think the MTD / flash stuff is powerful.
>
> Yeah, definitely. I was just pointing out that we can actually do a
> lot better on today's commodity hardware too.
I wish it worked on any of the 10+ x86 systems i have. Is there anyone
who'd be interested in exploring whether warm BIOS reboots work
_anywhere_?
A simple patch with a new (default-off) CONFIG_DEBUG_ feature that just
puts a signature into a predictable spot in RAM, switches the reboot
method over to warm reboot (reboot=w) and prints some friendly "yay,
this BIOS rocks!" message if the signature is still there after a reboot
and not zeroed out.
If that works _anywhere_ we could complete it: we could cache the dmesg
buffer address (__log_buf[]) across reboots (and maybe the printk tail
offset (log_end)), and that would be an _excellent_ debuggability
feature for a large class of otherwise undebuggable crashes ...
We could use that to preserve a kernel function trace (or a branch
execution hardware trace using BTS on Intel CPUs) across crashes, etc.
etc.
Ingo
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net>,
Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Koskinen Aaro (Nokia-D/Helsinki)" <aaro.koskinen@nokia.com>,
linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:14:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091012151431.GC14004@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1255358181.9111.14.camel@macbook.infradead.org>
* David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:26 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > Not if the failure is say a s2ram hang that requires a power cycle.
> > Also there are certain classes of bugs that only occur on cold boot.
> > Plus there's the "need to unplug the battery to revive the system"
> > class of bugs (but they are rare).
>
> So you need to build in enough ECC to cope with the decay which
> happens when RAM isn't being refreshed for a few seconds... :)
[ hey, i think you should line up with BIOS writers at that wall ;-) ]
> > So i think the MTD / flash stuff is powerful.
>
> Yeah, definitely. I was just pointing out that we can actually do a
> lot better on today's commodity hardware too.
I wish it worked on any of the 10+ x86 systems i have. Is there anyone
who'd be interested in exploring whether warm BIOS reboots work
_anywhere_?
A simple patch with a new (default-off) CONFIG_DEBUG_ feature that just
puts a signature into a predictable spot in RAM, switches the reboot
method over to warm reboot (reboot=w) and prints some friendly "yay,
this BIOS rocks!" message if the signature is still there after a reboot
and not zeroed out.
If that works _anywhere_ we could complete it: we could cache the dmesg
buffer address (__log_buf[]) across reboots (and maybe the printk tail
offset (log_end)), and that would be an _excellent_ debuggability
feature for a large class of otherwise undebuggable crashes ...
We could use that to preserve a kernel function trace (or a branch
execution hardware trace using BTS on Intel CPUs) across crashes, etc.
etc.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-12 15:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-11 6:10 [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-11 6:10 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 11:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 11:23 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 11:23 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 11:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:15 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:15 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:33 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:33 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:48 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:48 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 13:06 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 13:06 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 13:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:39 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 13:39 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 14:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 15:01 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 15:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 15:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:29 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 17:29 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 17:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 18:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:09 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:36 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:36 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 18:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 19:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 19:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-13 7:58 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 7:58 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 8:57 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-13 8:57 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-13 13:17 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:17 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:21 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:21 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 4/5]: core: Add dump device to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-26 9:36 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-26 9:36 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 7:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 7:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 7:46 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 7:46 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 8:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 8:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:35 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 9:35 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 9:40 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:40 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:53 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-11-30 9:53 ` Simon Kagstrom
[not found] ` <1259580207.19465.379.camel@macbook.infradead.org>
[not found] ` <20091130123752.39727115@marrow.netinsight.se>
[not found] ` <1259582202.19465.388.camel@macbook.infradead.org>
2009-11-30 12:03 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-11-30 9:54 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 9:54 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 10:23 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 10:23 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 10:27 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 10:27 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 9:09 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:09 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30 9:28 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-11-30 9:28 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v5 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a dump_device Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:34 ` [PATCH v6 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:34 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:40 ` [PATCH v6 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:40 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 4/5]: core: Add kernel message dumper to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 13:41 ` [PATCH v6 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a kmsg_dumper Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 15:12 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 15:12 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-15 5:11 ` vimal singh
2009-10-15 5:11 ` vimal singh
2009-10-12 12:27 ` [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:27 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:08 ` Alan Cox
2009-10-12 13:08 ` Alan Cox
2009-10-12 13:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:32 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 13:32 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 14:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:36 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 14:36 ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 15:14 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-10-12 15:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:32 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-12 18:32 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 19:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-12 14:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
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