From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1N1KSk-0003A2-2I for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:45:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N1KSf-00039C-JW for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:45:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N1KSZ-00038T-6M for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:45:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54099 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N1KSY-00038M-Vp for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:45:39 -0400 Received: from xvm-190-8.ghst.net ([217.70.190.8]:37672 helo=aybabtu.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N1KSY-0003Xr-50 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:45:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N1KSO-0004Qr-Tw for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:45:29 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N1KSO-0001sM-BN for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:45:28 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:45:28 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20091023134528.GA7119@thorin> References: <20091022221708.GA8123@thorin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: Re: Experimental branch for GRUB X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:45:45 -0000 On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 03:06:02PM +0800, Bean wrote: > > Hi, > > I take a quick look at bazaar, it seems to be working fine. However, > if we are to use bazaar, I suggest we host the project at launchpad, > for several reasons: > > Launchpad have a nice web interface. > > Launchpad can build ubuntu package from source code. > > Like GITHUB, launchpad allows users to fork the project and work on > user branch. This is important for big patch as it usually go through > several few steps before completion. > > We might want to create a unified repo for grub and grub-extra. As > grub doesn't support external module building, split it in two parts > is not convenient for both developer and user. Therefore, we can > maintain an unified source tree in the experimental repo, and push > patch to the corresponding project when applied upstream. > > We don't want to mix bug report for experiential feature with official > grub2. Launchpad has its own bug tracking system, we can use it to > process bug report concerning the experimental branch. I've to go soon and can go in more detail later, but user branches work fine. I put two of my local patchsets there just a few minutes ago, check http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/grub/people/robertmh/. I think building deb from snapshots of this experimental branch is a good idea, and it can be done in any place you see fit, BUT if a proprietary solution is used, the GNU project can't endorse those (e.g. we wouldn't link to them). I haven't followed the latest developments on which parts of Launchpad have been liberated. In any case, if this turns out to be a problem I can assist with the deb-building process (I got almost a decade of experience with it). GRUB does support external module building, but it's very impractical. This is why in Debian we opted for integrating grub-extras at source level, which is also more solid (no need for ABI checks). I intend to make it easier for external source modules to be integrated into GRUB without need for patching anything, but I haven't found the time to do this (maybe later this weekend). As for bug reports, due to the nature of an experimental branch I don't expect they will be very common. Anyhow, I'll have a look at Savannah BTS' versioning capabilities. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."