From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: David Zeuthen <david@fubar.dk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:16:34 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091119141634.GA311@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3eb2510911190529p6810508fve4941f3077dfd3d9@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 02:29:29PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 14:01, Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:09:30PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 22:33, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
> >> > My use cases are on the order of a second.
> >>
> >> Ok, what's the specific use case, which should be triggered after a
> >> second? I thought you were thinking about disk spindown or similar.
> >
> > The first is altering ALPM policy. ALPM will be initiated by the host if
> > the number of queued requests hits zero - if there's no hysteresis
> > implemented, then that can result in a significant performance hit. We
> > don't need /much/ hysteresis, but it's the difference between a 50%
> > performance hit and not having that.
>
> Can't that logic live entirely in the kernel, instead of being a
> rather generic userspace event interface (with the current limitation
> to a single user)?
It could, but it seems a bit of a hack. It'd still also require the
timer to be in the kernel, so we might as well expose that to userspace.
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: David Zeuthen <david@fubar.dk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:16:34 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091119141634.GA311@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3eb2510911190529p6810508fve4941f3077dfd3d9@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 02:29:29PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 14:01, Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:09:30PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 22:33, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
> >> > My use cases are on the order of a second.
> >>
> >> Ok, what's the specific use case, which should be triggered after a
> >> second? I thought you were thinking about disk spindown or similar.
> >
> > The first is altering ALPM policy. ALPM will be initiated by the host if
> > the number of queued requests hits zero - if there's no hysteresis
> > implemented, then that can result in a significant performance hit. We
> > don't need /much/ hysteresis, but it's the difference between a 50%
> > performance hit and not having that.
>
> Can't that logic live entirely in the kernel, instead of being a
> rather generic userspace event interface (with the current limitation
> to a single user)?
It could, but it seems a bit of a hack. It'd still also require the
timer to be in the kernel, so we might as well expose that to userspace.
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
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2009-11-17 14:37 [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-17 14:37 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-11-17 15:55 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-17 15:55 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-17 16:09 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle David Zeuthen
2009-11-17 16:09 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes David Zeuthen
2009-11-17 18:57 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-17 18:57 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:30 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:30 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:40 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:40 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:47 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:47 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:53 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:53 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 20:03 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 20:03 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 20:07 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 20:07 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:06 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:06 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:29 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:29 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:35 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:35 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:39 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:39 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:45 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:45 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:33 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:33 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:40 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:40 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 11:09 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 11:09 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 13:01 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 13:01 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 13:29 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 13:29 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:16 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2009-11-19 14:16 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:25 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:25 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:30 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:30 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:34 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:34 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:48 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:48 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 15:00 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 15:00 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-20 20:29 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-20 20:29 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-22 23:37 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Pavel Machek
2009-11-22 23:37 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Pavel Machek
2009-11-23 14:12 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:12 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:17 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:17 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:25 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:25 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:31 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:31 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:42 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:42 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 19:50 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 19:50 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 19:54 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 19:54 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-12-11 21:20 ` [RFC] Add support for events " Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 22:10 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents " Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-11-18 22:10 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
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