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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	David Zeuthen <david@fubar.dk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:42:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091123144238.GA10275@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091123143140.GG8742@kernel.dk>

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 03:31:40PM +0100, Jens Axboe wrote:

> Well, take a look at laptop mode. A timer per-io is probably
> unavoidable, but doing it at IO completion could mean a big decrease in
> timer activity as opposed to doing it for each incoming IO. And since
> you are looking at when the disk is idle, it makes a lot more sense to
> me to do that when the we complete a request (and have no further
> pending IO) rather than on incoming IO.

Right. The current implementation I have does a del_timer() at 
submission (which should be moved to post-merge) - that should be cheap 
in the common case of a new command being submitted when there's already 
commands outstanding. There's then a mod_timer() at completion time. 
That's still a certain amount of expense, but it should be less.

> Your biggest performance issue here is going to be sync IO, since the
> disk will go idle very briefly before being kicked into action again.

Ok, I'll try to benchmark that.

The alternative (polling) method would be something much like Kay 
suggested - either add an extra field to stat or an extra sysfs file, 
then invalidate that on submission and set to jiffies on completion. 
It's not ideal from a wakeups perspective, but it's pretty low impact on 
the kernel side.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	David Zeuthen <david@fubar.dk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:42:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091123144238.GA10275@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091123143140.GG8742@kernel.dk>

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 03:31:40PM +0100, Jens Axboe wrote:

> Well, take a look at laptop mode. A timer per-io is probably
> unavoidable, but doing it at IO completion could mean a big decrease in
> timer activity as opposed to doing it for each incoming IO. And since
> you are looking at when the disk is idle, it makes a lot more sense to
> me to do that when the we complete a request (and have no further
> pending IO) rather than on incoming IO.

Right. The current implementation I have does a del_timer() at 
submission (which should be moved to post-merge) - that should be cheap 
in the common case of a new command being submitted when there's already 
commands outstanding. There's then a mod_timer() at completion time. 
That's still a certain amount of expense, but it should be less.

> Your biggest performance issue here is going to be sync IO, since the
> disk will go idle very briefly before being kicked into action again.

Ok, I'll try to benchmark that.

The alternative (polling) method would be something much like Kay 
suggested - either add an extra field to stat or an extra sysfs file, 
then invalidate that on submission and set to jiffies on completion. 
It's not ideal from a wakeups perspective, but it's pretty low impact on 
the kernel side.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-23 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-17 14:37 [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-17 14:37 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-11-17 15:55 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-17 15:55   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-17 16:09   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle David Zeuthen
2009-11-17 16:09     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes David Zeuthen
2009-11-17 18:57     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-17 18:57       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:30       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:30         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:40         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:40           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:47           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:47             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:53             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:53               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 20:03               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 20:03                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 20:07                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 20:07                   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:06                   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:06                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:29                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:29                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:35                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:35                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:39                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:39                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:45                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:45                             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:33                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:33                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:40                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:40                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 11:09                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 11:09                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 13:01                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 13:01                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 13:29                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 13:29                             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:16                             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:16                               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:25                               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:25                                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:30                                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:30                                   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:34                                   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:34                                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:48                                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:48                                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 15:00                                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 15:00                                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-20 20:29                                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-20 20:29                                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-22 23:37                   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Pavel Machek
2009-11-22 23:37                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Pavel Machek
2009-11-23 14:12                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:12                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:17                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:17                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:25                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:25                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:31                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:31                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:42                           ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2009-11-23 14:42                             ` Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 19:50                             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 19:50                               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 19:54                               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 19:54                                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-12-11 21:20                               ` [RFC] Add support for events " Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 22:10 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents " Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-11-18 22:10   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz

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