From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1NIUdm-0001Ex-Hj for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:04:10 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NIUdl-0001Dx-2y for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:04:09 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NIUdg-0001DG-Mk for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:04:08 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41984 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NIUdg-0001D9-Hc for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:04:04 -0500 Received: from xvm-190-8.ghst.net ([217.70.190.8]:55542 helo=aybabtu.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NIUdf-0004Hg-Ur for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:04:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NIUdc-0003KB-H9 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:04:02 +0100 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NIUdT-0001zk-FA for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:03:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:03:51 +0100 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GNU GRUB Message-ID: <20091209220351.GJ7093@thorin> References: <20091207150831.GA8047@thorin> <4B201BC7.2050703@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4B201BC7.2050703@gmail.com> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: Re: my plan for Multiboot 2 X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:04:09 -0000 On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 10:51:03PM +0100, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: > Robert Millan wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We have an obvious problem with the Multiboot 2 loader: It's in > > severe bitrot. Nobody complains because nobody uses it, which is > > understandable given that nobody programs for MB2, because it's not > > ready (both in spec and in implementation), and we don't improve it > > because nobody complains, etc. You get the point :-) > > > > I think the approach that was taken has proven wrong. It might have > > worked with more manpower, but our time resources are scarce and we have > > other priorities. In my opinion, as things stand now it is best if > > Multiboot 2 is developed by piggybacking on Multiboot 1 rather than as an > > isolated effort. This idea is twofold: both in spec and in implementation. > > > > > Do you plan on removing multiboot2 loader from grub2 and marking > multiboot2 draft as abandonded? I don't know. Do you think this would be necessary? I was thinking we could gradually replace it in parallel, but I'm open to ideas/suggestions. > I think cpu-independency should come after possible incompatible changes > since if we bring bad but compatible decision to non-x86 then it will be > difficult to eradicate. I don't understand very well; could you give an example of problematic situation? -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."