From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1NZJko-0000vw-T7 for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:52:59 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NZJkl-0000uj-Sb for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:52:56 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NZJkg-0000sb-No for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:52:55 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49729 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NZJkg-0000sD-5z for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:52:50 -0500 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:44508) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJkf-0004Wz-FB for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:52:49 -0500 Received: from xvm-190-8.ghst.net ([217.70.190.8] helo=aybabtu.com) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJke-0007vs-QC for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:52:48 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJkY-0006x4-1b for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:52:42 +0100 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJkX-0003e5-8o for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:52:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:52:41 +0100 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GNU GRUB Message-ID: <20100125075241.GF13584@thorin> References: <20100122165300.GA14428@thorin> <4B59E869.700@gmail.com> <20100124204118.GA10054@thorin> <4B5CE810.7060407@gmail.com> <20100125073135.GB13584@thorin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100125073135.GB13584@thorin> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by mx20.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Subject: Re: [PATCH] nested partitions X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:52:56 -0000 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 08:31:35AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > When you hide complexity from the user, the user doesn't generally care or > want to understand what this involves. When we accept "(hd0,1)" from the > user, it implies we know what's the partition label in hd0, but reality is > that we're just guessing. User, however, will expect things to "just work", > and if they fail will blame it on GRUB. This is what I refer to when I > speak of burden. Btw, I forgot to mention that initially GRUB took a very different approach: labels were considered arch-specific, so on i386-pc you only had msdos labels, on powerpc-ieee1275 you only had apple labels, etc. With this approach, the probing problem doesn't exist. -- Robert Millan "Be the change you want to see in the world" -- Gandhi