From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-path: Received: from mailscanner6.powerhosting.dk ([81.7.189.38]:37888 "EHLO mailscanner.powerhosting.dk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752088Ab0AYXNO (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:13:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailscanner.powerhosting.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B280BDE71D for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailscanner.powerhosting.dk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailscanner6.powerhosting.dk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qxtMbkVXMOeZ for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jbj2.i.jbohm.dk (0x4dd72e11.adsl.cybercity.dk [77.215.46.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: saotowjokkoujuxlot@jbohm.dk) by mailscanner.powerhosting.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F273EDE695 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from linuxtv by jbj2.i.jbohm.dk with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZY7I-00012E-F5 for linux-media@vger.kernel.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:13:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:13:08 +0100 From: Jakob Bohm To: linux-media@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: More details on Hauppauge 930C Message-ID: <20100125231307.GA3924@i.jbohm.dk> References: <20100125021118.GA8756@i.jbohm.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-media-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 08:58:17AM +0100, Markus Rechberger wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Jakob Bohm wrote: > > So far all the posts I have been able to find about this device on > > wiki.linuxtv.org and in the archives of the linux-tv, linux-dvb > > and linux-media mailing lists have been unconfirmed guesswork of > > the form "I think", "Isn't that" etc.  I actually have this device > > (it was the first DVB-C device to hit the market in Denmark after > > our biggest cable TV provider offered unencrypted access to their > > basic packages in DVB-C format for anyone with a paid physical > > connection to their network). > > > > Ok, first the bad news: > > > > When looking inside the device I see two Micronas chips, > > thus *apparantly* confirming the rumors about this device being > > based on the Micronas chips for which Micronas lawyers blocked > > release of an already written FOSS driver back in 2008. > > But to be sure these are the "banned" chips, someone in the know > > should look closely at the photos I have taken of the actual chips > > in the 930C. > > > > Second bad news: When asking Hauppauge all the response I got was > > "You need to post on the www.linuxtv.org site, that's where the > > devlopers are" (and thats all the e-mail said, including the > > spelling mistake in "devlopers"). > > > > Now the observable facts: > > > > 1. Product name is Hauppauge 930C, model 16009 LF Rev B1F0, USB ID > > 2040:1605 .  Retail package includes device, a short video cable > > adapter for the minisocket on the device, an IR remote, a small > > table-top retractable antenna and a CD with MS-Windows software > > and drivers. > > > > 2. Device is a combined DVB-C/DVB-T receiver with additional > > inputs for raw analog video as S-VHS or composite (either with > > separate analog stereo sound).  I do not recall if the device has > > support for analog TV reception too. > > > > 3. Device is not yet listed in the device tables at linuxtv.org > > with any status (not even "doesn't work"). > > > > 4. Device is a large (= wide body) USB stick, with a standard size > > coaxial antenna input at the back, two indicator LEDs and an IR > > receiver on the right and a proprietary mini-socket for analog > > video/audio input on the left.  The underside has a sticker with > > bar code, model number and MAC address. > > > > 4. I have taken close up photos of the device with and without the > > covers off.  The inside of the device holds two circuit boards > > with some components hidden between them, I have taken photos > > or the outward facing sides of the two boards. > > > > I have posted the photos at these URLs: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Please copy the photos to your own archives, these are temporary > > URLs). > > > > And finally something worth investigating: > > > > Some time has passed since Micronas Lawyers blocked the release of > > the FOSS driver for their chipset, maybe they have cooled down now > > and someone from the linuxtv project could approach Hauppauge or > > Pinacle (who seem FOSS-friendly) to put business pressure on their > > chipset supplier Micronas to reverse their decision and permit the > > release of the FOSS driver that was previously developped in > > cooperation between Pinacle, Micronas techs and Devin Heitmueller > > (one of the linuxtv developers). > > > > > > It hasn't been in Micronas hands for a long time anymore. Micronas had > financial trouble > and sold this devision to Trident. > So far we (Sundtek) found an agreement to publish their propriertary > work under closed source but with support for > opensource applications in Linux in userspace not affecting the kernel. > Thanks for posting this info on list. Could someone with access please update the relevant pages at wiki.linuxtv.org? Sincerely Jakob Bohm -- This message is hastily written, please ignore any unpleasant wordings, do not consider it a binding commitment, even if its phrasing may indicate so. Its contents may be deliberately or accidentally untrue. Trademarks and other things belong to their owners, if any.