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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	mgross@linux.intel.com, aili@codeaurora.org,
	dwalker@codeaurora.org, tiwai@suse.de, bruce.w.allan@intel.com,
	davidb@quicinc.com, mcgrof@gmail.com,
	linux-pm <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH]PM QOS refresh against next-20100430
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 06:16:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100504041637.GC5326@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100503104250.7605d2bc@bike.lwn.net>

On Mon 2010-05-03 10:42:50, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2010 09:40:11 -0700
> Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com> wrote:
> 
> > > One question, though...  one clear use of this API is for drivers to
> > > say "don't go into C3 or deeper because things go wrong"; I'm about to
> > > add another one of those.  It works, but the use of a
> > > PM_QOS_CPU_DMA_LATENCY requirement with a hard-coded number that one
> > > hopes is small enough seems a bit...indirect.  I wonder if it would be
> > > clearer and more robust to add a new requirement^Wrequest type saying
> > > "the quality of service I need is shallow sleeps only"?  
> > 
> > The problem with that is portability.
> > 
> > What does "shallow" mean?  
> 
> Well, shallow could mean that the state lacks the CPUIDLE_FLAG_DEEP
> flag; that should be relatively portable.  In any case, it seems more
> so than "if I put in a 55us latency requirement, I'll stay out of C3".

While C3 has maximum allowed latency (101usec, iirc), I believe
there's no minimum, so someone could create platform with really quick
C3 with perhaps only 10usec to enter...

								Pavel


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-04  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-30 21:20 [PATCH]PM QOS refresh against next-20100430 mark gross
2010-04-30 22:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-30 23:05   ` mark gross
2010-04-30 23:08     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-04 14:30       ` mark gross
2010-05-04 14:30       ` mark gross
2010-05-05 23:59         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-05 23:59         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-30 23:08     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-30 23:05   ` mark gross
2010-04-30 22:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 16:33 ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-05-03 16:33 ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-05-03 16:40   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 16:42     ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-05-03 16:42     ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-05-03 17:01       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-03 17:10         ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-05-03 17:10         ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-05-03 21:39         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-03 21:39         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-03 17:01       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  4:16       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2010-05-04  4:16       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 16:40   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-04  4:41   ` [linux-pm] " mark gross
2010-05-04  4:41   ` mark gross
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2010-04-30 21:20 mark gross
2010-04-30 21:17 mark gross
2010-04-30 21:17 mark gross

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