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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	efault@gmx.de, avi@redhat.com, paulus@samba.org, acme@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCHSET] sched,perf: unify tracers in sched and move perf on top of TP
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:11:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100506071153.GA3626@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1273129464.5605.228.camel@twins>


* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 08:31 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, I'd much rather just see a direct call in the code than having to 
> > > reverse engineer wth hangs onto that _EVENT() junk.
> > 
> > Direct calls into code were fine 10 years ago, but since then we got:
> > 
> >  - preempt notifiers
> 
> Are per task an no good for driving perf.

No, but they could be expressed via tracepoints.

> >  - sw events
> >  - tracepoints
> 
> Are unrelated to the core perf scheduler calls.

Still they pose 3 different types of callback regimes, all for a slightly 
different purpose.

> > Which add up to a lot more than just a plain call into code.
> > 
> > Also, with the jump-optimizations we will have tracepoints that are 
> > _cheaper_ than a plain function call.
> 
> Which can just as easily be used on the core perf hooks.
> 
> > > Also, we don't need ABI muck for this.
> > 
> > we already have an ABIs in place here - this would just properly unify and 
> > enumerate it.
> 
> I'm not getting it, this is about in-kernel stuff, there are _NO_ in kernel 
> ABIs.

Yes - but the callbacks i mentioned do include ABIs, such as the sw event 
callbacks.

So my point is to have one coherent callback mechanism for it.

That said, i agree with you that turning the basic perf scheduling calls into 
events goes one step too far. But all the _other_ 3 types of callbacks (and we 
might as well add a fourth type as well: the butt-ugly hotplug event notifier 
chains) should be consolidated really.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-06  7:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-04 12:38 [RFC PATCHSET] sched,perf: unify tracers in sched and move perf on top of TP Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 01/12] sched: drop @cpu argument from sched_in preempt notifier Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 17:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 02/12] sched: rename preempt_notifiers to sched_notifiers and refactor implementation Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 03/12] perf: add perf_event_task_migrate() Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  5:08   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-05  5:16     ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  9:37       ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  9:56           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 04/12] perf: add @rq to perf_event_task_sched_out() Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 17:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 17:22     ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 17:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 18:22       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-04 18:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 18:32           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-05  4:48             ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:58             ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-07 18:41           ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Remove rq argument to the tracepoints tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 05/12] perf: move perf_event_task_sched_in() next to fire_sched_notifiers_in() Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 06/12] sched: relocate fire_sched_notifiers_out() and trace_sched_switch() Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 07/12] sched: coalesce event notifiers Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 08/12] sched: add switch_in and tick tracepoints Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 09/12] perf: factor out perf_event_switch_clones() Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 10/12] perf: make nr_events an int and add perf_online_mutex to protect it Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 11/12] perf: prepare to move sched perf functions on top of tracepoints Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 12/12] perf: " Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 17:29 ` [RFC PATCHSET] sched,perf: unify tracers in sched and move perf on top of TP Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  5:00   ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  9:32       ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:51         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  9:54           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05 11:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05 12:28               ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05 16:55                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-05 18:12                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05 18:16                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05 18:30                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-06  6:28                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-06  7:11                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-06  8:27                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-06  8:41                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-06  8:18                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-06  6:31                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-06  7:04                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-06  7:11                         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-05-06  7:29                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-06  7:33                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05 12:33               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-05 13:09                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-10  5:20             ` Paul Mackerras
2010-05-10  5:48               ` Tejun Heo

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