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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
	"Young, Brent" <brent.young@intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@dell.com>,
	Doug Thompson <dougthompson@xmission.com>,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	"bluesmoke-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<bluesmoke-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Linux Edac Mailing List <linux-edac@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Hardware Error Kernel Mini-Summit
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 09:09:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100519070919.GA9618@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100519064619.GA30320@aftab>


* Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org> wrote:

> From: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> Date: Tue, May 18, 2010 at 09:14:09PM -0400
> 
> > - Errors that occur frequently. That is broken 
> >   hardware of one time or another.  I want to know 
> >   about that so I can schedule down time to replace my 
> >   memory before I get an uncorrected ECC error.  
> >   Errors of this kind are likely happening frequently 
> >   enough as to impact performance.
> 
> This is exactly the reason why we need a better error 
> logging and reporting than a log.
>
> [ ... lots of specific details snipped ... ]

Basically the idea behind the generic structured logging 
framework (the perf events kernel subsystem) is to have 
both ASCII output (where desired: critical errors), but to 
also have well-specified event format parsable to 
user-space tools.

Plus there's the need for fast, lightweight, flexible 
event passing mechanism - which is given by the perf 
events transport which enables arbitrary size in-memory 
ring-buffers, poll() and epoll support, etc.

perf events supports all these different usecases and 
comes with a (constantly growing) set of events already 
defined upstream. We've got more than a dozen different 
upstream subsystems that have defined events and we have 
over a hundred individual events. There's a rapidly 
growing tool space that makes case by case use of these 
event sources to measure/observe various aspects of the 
system.

Regarding dmesg, there's a WIP patch on lkml that 
integrates printks into this framework as well - makes 
each printk also available as a special string event.

That way a tool can have both programmatic access to 
printk output (without having to interact with the syslog 
buffer itself) - together with all the other structured 
log sources, while humans can also see what is happening.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-19  7:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-17 18:23 Hardware Error Kernel Mini-Summit Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-17 22:41 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-18 16:50   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-18 18:10     ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-18 18:10       ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-18  6:52 ` Hidetoshi Seto
2010-05-18  6:52   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2010-05-18 16:44   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-18 16:44     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-18 17:42     ` Joe Perches
2010-05-18 17:59       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-18 18:45       ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-18 18:57         ` Joe Perches
2010-05-18 18:53       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 19:08         ` Luck, Tony
2010-05-18 19:18           ` Borislav Petkov
2010-05-18 19:34             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 22:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-05-18 22:14               ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-05-18 22:28               ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-19  1:14                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-05-19  1:14                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-05-19  6:46                   ` Borislav Petkov
2010-05-19  7:09                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-05-19 11:54                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-19 11:54                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-20 12:37                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-14 10:03                       ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-14 10:03                         ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-14 11:49                         ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-14 19:47                           ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-14 19:47                             ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-14 20:21                             ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-14 21:02                               ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-14 20:06                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-06-14 20:06                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-06-14 20:21                             ` Luck, Tony
2010-06-14 20:36                             ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-14 20:36                               ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-14 21:34                               ` Tony Luck
2010-06-14 21:34                                 ` Tony Luck
2010-06-14 23:46                                 ` Doug Thompson
2010-06-15  6:56                                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-15  8:06                                     ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-15  8:06                                       ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-15 10:01                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2010-06-15 11:41                                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-15 11:41                                         ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-15 12:21                                         ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-15 18:15                                           ` Luck, Tony
2010-06-15 18:38                                             ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-15 18:38                                               ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-15 19:37                                             ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-15 19:37                                               ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-15 19:35                                           ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-15 20:48                                             ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-15 20:48                                               ` Nils Carlson
2010-06-16  9:40                                               ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-16  9:40                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-15 22:33                                     ` Tony Luck
2010-06-15  6:44                                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-15  6:44                                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-19  9:03                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-24 16:21                     ` Russ Anderson
2010-05-24 18:26                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-24 18:26                         ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-19 17:30                   ` Tony Luck
2010-05-24 15:55                     ` Russ Anderson
2010-05-24 17:35                       ` Tony Luck
2010-05-24 18:31                         ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-18 22:29               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 19:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 20:42             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 21:37               ` Tony Luck
2010-05-18 22:00                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-24 17:13                   ` Russ Anderson
2010-05-19  6:39                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 13:06 ` Borislav Petkov
2010-05-18 16:52   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-18 16:52     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-18 17:06 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-05-18 17:06   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-06-16  8:57 George Spelvin

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