From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759620Ab0E0T6r (ORCPT ); Thu, 27 May 2010 15:58:47 -0400 Received: from ogre.sisk.pl ([217.79.144.158]:49673 "EHLO ogre.sisk.pl" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755488Ab0E0T6p convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 27 May 2010 15:58:45 -0400 From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" To: Dmitry Torokhov Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] PM: Opportunistic suspend support. Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:00:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.4 (Linux/2.6.34-rjw; KDE/4.3.5; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Arve =?iso-8859-1?q?Hj=F8nnev=E5g?= , Alan Stern , "Linux-pm mailing list" , Kernel development list , Len Brown , Pavel Machek , Randy Dunlap , Andrew Morton , Andi Kleen , Cornelia Huck , Tejun Heo , Jesse Barnes , Nigel Cunningham , Ming Lei , Wu Fengguang , Maxim Levitsky , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org References: <20100527181333.GA8297@core.coreip.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20100527181333.GA8297@core.coreip.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Message-Id: <201005272200.09679.rjw@sisk.pl> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thursday 27 May 2010, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 05:52:40PM -0700, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote: > > 2010/5/26 Alan Stern : > > > On Wed, 26 May 2010, Arve Hjønnevåg wrote: > > > > > >> > I must be missing something. In Arve's patch 1/8, if the system is in > > >> > opportunistic suspend, and a wakeup event occurs but no suspend > > >> > blockers get enabled by the handler, what causes the system to go back > > >> > into suspend after the event is handled? Isn't that a loop of some > > >> > sort? > > >> > > > >> > > >> Yes it is a loop. I think what you are missing is that it only loops > > >> repeatedly if the driver that aborts suspend does not use a suspend > > >> blocker. > > > > > > You mean "the driver that handles the wakeup event". I was asking what > > > happened if suspend succeeded and then a wakeup occurred. But yes, if > > > a suspend blocker is used then its release causes another suspend > > > attempt, with no looping. > > > > > >> > And even if it isn't, so what? What's wrong with looping behavior? > > >> > > >> It is a significant power drain. > > > > > > Not in the situation I was discussing. > > > > > > > If you meant it spend most of the time suspended, then I agree. It > > only wastes power when a driver blocks suspend by returning an error > > from its suspend hook and we are forced to loop doing no useful work. > > > > If driver refuses to suspend that means there are events that need > processing. I fail to see why it would be called "looping doing no > useful work". I guess Arve meant the case of events that didn't propagate to user space. Rafael > >