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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Kees Cook <kees.cook@canonical.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Dave Young <hidave.darkstar@gmail.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Tim Gardner <tim.gardner@canonical.com>,
	tytso@mit.edu, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] fs: allow protected cross-uid sticky symlinks
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:10:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100607191043.GA8836@hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6305.1275927536@localhost>

Quoting Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu):
> (Sorry for the late reply, didn't have time last few days to drink from the
> lkml firehose)
> 
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:00:51 PDT, Kees Cook said:
> > On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 01:02:48PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > > Kees Cook <kees.cook@canonical.com> writes:
> > > > A long-standing class of security issues is the symlink-based
> > > > time-of-check-time-of-use race, most commonly seen in world-writable
> > > > directories like /tmp. The common method of exploitation of this flaw
> > > 
> > > Nacked-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> > > 
> > > This approach to fix the problem to of /tmp looks to me like it
> > > will have the opposite effect.  I think this patch will encourage
> > > more badly written applications.
> > 
> > How to safely deal with /tmp has been well understood for well over
> > a decade.  I don't think this change would "encourage" poor code.
> 
> The fact that you're proposing this patch a decade after we "well understood"
> the problem should suggest that it *will* encourage poor code, as the same
> programmers who don't currently get it right (and are thus the targets of your
> patch) will quite likely just say "Oh, I saw a patch for that, I don't have to
> try to do it right..."

Come on, now, that's a leap, really...

I'm all for doing both this patch AND pushing for per-user /tmp.

-serge

      parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-07 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-03  8:01 [PATCH v6] fs: allow protected cross-uid sticky symlinks Kees Cook
2010-06-03  8:01 ` Kees Cook
2010-06-03  9:41 ` Alan Cox
2010-06-03 18:40   ` Kees Cook
2010-06-04  4:39     ` Al Viro
2010-06-04  6:23       ` Kees Cook
2010-06-03 20:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-06-03 21:00   ` Kees Cook
2010-06-07 16:18     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-06-07 16:42       ` Kees Cook
2010-06-07 18:36         ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-06-07 21:06           ` Kees Cook
2010-06-08  8:25             ` Alan Cox
2010-06-07 19:10       ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]

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