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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Corey Ashford <cjashfor@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	"eranian@gmail.com" <eranian@gmail.com>,
	"Gary.Mohr@Bull.com" <Gary.Mohr@bull.com>,
	"arjan@linux.intel.com" <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	"Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Russell King <rmk+kernel@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Maynard Johnson <mpjohn@us.ibm.com>, Carl Love <carll@us.ibm.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] Describe events in a structured way via sysfs
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:36:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100624093625.GA26931@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1277192007.3637.8.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net>


* Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 15:22 +0800, Lin Ming wrote:
> 
> > > > net/wlan0/events/
> > > > net/waln1/events/
> > > > ....
> > > > net/walnN/events/
> > > 
> > > That's not appropriate either though since you may have multiple network 
> > > interfaces on the same hardware :)
> > 
> > Doesn't net/wlan0...wlanN mean multiple network interfaces on the same 
> > hardware?
> 
> Yes, but the trace points aren't per network interface but rather per 
> hardware piece.

Yeah - we generally want events to live at their 'natural' source in sysfs.

So if it's a per device hardware event, it should live with the hardware 
piece. If it's a higher level chipset event, it should live where the chipset 
driver is in sysfs. If it's a subsystem level event then it should live there.

I think what you mentioned in your other posting makes the most sense: give 
flexibility to tracepoint authors to place the event in the most sensible 
sysfs place. It is them who define the tracepoints and the events so any 
second guessing by a generic layer will probably get in the way. The generic 
tool layer will be content with having the event_source class in sysfs, to see 
'all' event sources ttheir topological structure.

That's probably best achieved via a TRACE_EVENT() variant, by passing in the 
sysfs location.

It might even make sense to make this a part of TRACE_EVENT() itself and make 
'NULL' the current default, non-sysfs-enumerated behavior. That way we can 
gradually (and non-intrusively) find all the right sysfs places for events.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-24  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-19  1:46 [RFC][PATCH v2 06/11] perf: core, export pmus via sysfs Lin Ming
2010-05-18 20:05 ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  2:34   ` Lin Ming
2010-05-19  2:48     ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  3:40       ` Lin Ming
2010-05-19  5:00         ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  6:32           ` Lin Ming
2010-05-19  7:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-20 18:42         ` Greg KH
2010-05-20 19:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-20 20:19             ` Greg KH
2010-05-20 20:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-20 23:12             ` Greg KH
2010-05-21  8:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-21  9:40                 ` [rfc] Describe events in a structured way " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTinJeYJtCg2aRWhHTcf5E2-dN2-oAfEJ8tAtFjb9@mail.gmail.com>
2010-06-01  2:34                     ` Lin Ming
2010-06-08 18:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTimf1Z0N9cv2Pu2qTTUscn4utC37zOPelCbqQoPv@mail.gmail.com>
2010-06-21  8:55                     ` Lin Ming
     [not found]                       ` <1277112858.3618.16.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net>
     [not found]                         ` <1277187920.4467.3.camel@minggr.sh.intel.com>
     [not found]                           ` <1277189971.3637.5.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net>
2010-06-22  7:22                             ` Lin Ming
2010-06-22  7:33                               ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-22  7:39                                 ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-22  8:04                                   ` Lin Ming
2010-06-22  8:16                                     ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-22  7:47                                 ` Lin Ming
2010-06-22  7:52                                   ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-24  9:36                                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-06-24 16:14                                   ` Johannes Berg
2010-06-24 17:33                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-29  6:15                                       ` Lin Ming
2010-06-29  8:55                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-29  9:20                                           ` Lin Ming
2010-06-29 10:26                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-07-02  8:06                                               ` Lin Ming
2010-07-03 12:54                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-07-17  0:20                                                 ` Corey Ashford
2010-07-20  5:48                                                   ` Lin Ming
2010-07-20 15:19                                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-07-20 17:50                                                       ` Corey Ashford
2010-07-20 18:30                                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-07-20 21:18                                                           ` Corey Ashford
2010-07-20 17:43                                                     ` Corey Ashford
2010-05-19  7:06     ` [RFC][PATCH v2 06/11] perf: core, export pmus " Borislav Petkov
2010-05-19  7:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-19  7:23         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 20:07 ` Greg KH
2010-05-19  2:37   ` Lin Ming

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