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From: Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@oracle.com>
To: lustre-devel@lists.lustre.org
Subject: [Lustre-devel] Integrity and corruption - can file systems be scalable?
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:58:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100705175829.GK15407@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C315739.6040304@oracle.com>

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 11:53:29PM -0400, Dmitry Zogin wrote:
> What I really mean is the defragmentation issue and not the
> fragmentation itself. All file systems becomes fragmented, as it is
> unavoidable. But the defragmentation of the file system using hash
> trees really becomes a problem.

That is emphatically not true.

To defragment a ZFS-like filesystem all you need to do is traverse the
metadata looking for live blocks from old transaction groups, then
relocate those by writing them out again almost as if an application had
written to them (except with no mtime updates).

In ZFS we call this block pointer rewrite, or bp rewrite.

> >Everything we do involves trade-offs.
> >
> Yes, but if the performance drop becomes unacceptable, any gain in
> the integrity is miserable.

I believe ZFS has shown that unacceptable performance losses are not
required in order to get the additional integrity protection.

Nico
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-05 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-02 18:53 [Lustre-devel] Integrity and corruption - can file systems be scalable? Peter Braam
2010-07-02 20:52 ` Dmitry Zogin
2010-07-02 20:59   ` Peter Braam
2010-07-02 21:09     ` Nicolas Williams
2010-07-02 21:18     ` Dmitry Zogin
2010-07-02 21:39       ` Peter Braam
2010-07-02 22:21         ` Nicolas Williams
2010-07-02 22:35           ` Nicolas Williams
2010-07-03  3:37           ` Dmitry Zogin
2010-07-04 23:56             ` Nicolas Williams
2010-07-05  3:53               ` Dmitry Zogin
2010-07-05  7:11                 ` Mitchell Erblich
2010-07-05 17:58                 ` Nicolas Williams [this message]
2010-07-07  6:57         ` [Lustre-devel] [Lustre-discuss] " Andreas Dilger

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