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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	"Li, Shaohua" <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
	Myklebust Trond <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	"jens.axboe@oracle.com" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 31/45] writeback: sync old inodes first in background writeback
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:24:17 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100712152417.GA30222@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100712030129.GA22769@infradead.org>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:01:29AM +0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 03:38:49PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > A background flush work may run for ever. So it's reasonable for it to
> > mimic the kupdate behavior of syncing old/expired inodes first.
> 
> I've looked at this a bit again after you pointed to this thread in
> the direct reclaim thread, and I think we should be even more aggressive
> in pushing out old inodes.

Agreed.

> We basically have two types of I/O done from wb_do_writeback:
> 
>  - either we want to write all inodes for a given bdi/superblock.  That
>    includes all WB_SYNC_ALL callers, but also things like
>    writeback_inodes_sb and the wakeup_flusher_threads call from
>    sys_sync.
>  - or we have a specific goal, like for the background writeback or
>    the wakeup_flusher_threads from free_more_memory.
> 
> For the first case there's obviously no point in doing any
> older_than_this processing as we write out all inodes anyway.

We may also do older_than_this even for the sync-the-whole-world case,
as long as this simplifies wb_writeback() and/or other code. This may
make a difference for slow devices.

> For the second case we should always do a older_than_this pass _first_.

Agree in general.

> Rationale: we really should get the old inodes out ASAP, so that we
> keep the amount of changes lost on a crash in the boundaries.
> Furthermore the callers only need N pages cleaned, and they don't care
> where from.  So if we can reach our goal with the older_than_this
> writeback we're fine.  If the writeback loop is long enough we can
> keep doing more of these later on as well.

Right.

> Doing this should also help cleaning the code up a bit by moving the
> wb_check_old_data_flush logic into wb_writeback and getting rid of the
> for_kupdate paramter in struct wb_writeback_work.  I'm not even sure
> it's worth keeping it in struct writeback_control.

I'd also like to see less for_kupdate tests. Whether or not we can
totally get rid of the explicit for_kupdate case, there are always
four main writeback goals/semantics:
- periodic      stop when all 30s-old inodes are written
- background    stop when background threshold is reached
- nr_pages      stop when nr_pages written (or when all clean)
- sync          stop when all older-than-sync-time inodes are written

Note that
- the "sync" goal is obviously a superset of the "periodic" goal
- the "background" goal may be expanded to include the "periodic" goal
- the latter three goals may all do some "periodic" goal loops, with
  a moving "old" criterion.

Thanks,
Fengguang

  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-12 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-07  7:38 [PATCH 00/45] some writeback experiments Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 01/45] writeback: reduce calls to global_page_state in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 15:12   ` Jan Kara
2009-10-09 15:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-09 15:47       ` Jan Kara
2009-10-11  2:28         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-11  7:44           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-11 10:50             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-11 10:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-11 11:25               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-12  1:26                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-12  9:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-12  9:24                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-10 21:33     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-12 21:18       ` Jan Kara
2009-10-13  3:24         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-13  8:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-13 18:12           ` Jan Kara
2009-10-13 18:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-14  1:38               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-14 11:22                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-17  5:30                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 02/45] writeback: reduce calculation of bdi dirty thresholds Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 03/45] ext4: remove unused parameter wbc from __ext4_journalled_writepage() Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 04/45] writeback: remove unused nonblocking and congestion checks Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 15:26   ` Jan Kara
2009-10-10 13:47     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 05/45] writeback: remove the always false bdi_cap_writeback_dirty() test Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 06/45] writeback: use larger ratelimit when dirty_exceeded Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  8:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  9:17     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 07/45] writeback: dont redirty tail an inode with dirty pages Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 15:45   ` Jan Kara
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 08/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (write_cache_pages) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 09/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (pohmelfs) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 12:32   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-10-07 14:23     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 10/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (btrfs) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 11/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (cifs) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 12/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (ext4) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 13/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (gfs2) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 14/45] writeback: quit on wrap for .range_cyclic (afs) Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 10:17   ` David Howells
2009-10-07 10:21     ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-07 10:47       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 11:23         ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-07 12:21           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 15/45] writeback: fix queue_io() ordering Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 16/45] writeback: merge for_kupdate and !for_kupdate cases Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 17/45] writeback: only allow two background writeback works Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 18/45] writeback: introduce wait queue for balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  1:01   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  1:58     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  2:40       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  4:01         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  5:59           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  6:07             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  6:28             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  6:39               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  8:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-08  8:11         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-08  8:36         ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-09  2:52           ` [PATCH] writeback: account IO throttling wait as iowait Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 10:41             ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-09 10:58               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-09 11:01                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-08  8:05     ` [PATCH 18/45] writeback: introduce wait queue for balance_dirty_pages() Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 19/45] writeback: remove the loop in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 20/45] NFS: introduce writeback wait queue Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  8:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  9:07     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  9:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  9:19         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  9:17       ` Nick Piggin
2009-10-07  9:52         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 21/45] writeback: estimate bdi write bandwidth Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  8:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07  9:39     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 22/45] writeback: show bdi write bandwidth in debugfs Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 23/45] writeback: kill space in debugfs item name Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 24/45] writeback: remove global nr_to_write and use timeout instead Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 25/45] writeback: convert wbc.nr_to_write to per-file parameter Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 26/45] block: pass the non-rotational queue flag to backing_dev_info Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 27/45] writeback: introduce wbc.for_background Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 28/45] writeback: introduce wbc.nr_segments Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 29/45] writeback: fix the shmem AOP_WRITEPAGE_ACTIVATE case Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 11:57   ` Hugh Dickins
2009-10-07 14:00     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 30/45] vmscan: lumpy pageout Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 31/45] writeback: sync old inodes first in background writeback Wu Fengguang
2010-07-12  3:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-12 15:24     ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 32/45] writeback: update kupdate expire timestamp on each scan of b_io Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 33/45] writeback: sync livelock - introduce wbc.for_sync Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 34/45] writeback: sync livelock - kick background writeback Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 35/45] writeback: sync livelock - use single timestamp for whole sync work Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 36/45] writeback: sync livelock - curb dirty speed for inodes to be synced Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 37/45] writeback: use timestamp to indicate dirty exceeded Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 38/45] writeback: introduce queue b_more_io_wait Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 39/45] writeback: remove wbc.more_io Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 40/45] writeback: requeue_io_wait() on I_SYNC locked inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:38 ` [PATCH 41/45] writeback: requeue_io_wait() on pages_skipped inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:39 ` [PATCH 42/45] writeback: requeue_io_wait() on blocked inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:39 ` [PATCH 43/45] writeback: requeue_io_wait() on fs redirtied inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:39 ` [PATCH 44/45] NFS: remove NFS_INO_FLUSHING lock Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 13:11   ` Peter Staubach
2009-10-07 13:32     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 13:59       ` Peter Staubach
2009-10-08  1:44         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  7:39 ` [PATCH 45/45] btrfs: fix race on syncing the btree inode Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07  8:53 ` [PATCH 00/45] some writeback experiments Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-07 13:47 ` Peter Staubach
2009-10-07 15:18   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  5:33     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-08  5:44       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 14:26 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-07 14:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-07 14:45     ` Wu Fengguang

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