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From: Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@jauu.net>
To: Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com>
Cc: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	davidsen@tmr.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Raise initial congestion window size / speedup slow start?
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:36:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100714223633.GJ6682@nuttenaction> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C3E34AB.2060405@wildgooses.com>

* Ed W | 2010-07-14 23:05:31 [+0100]:

>Initial cwnd was changed (increased) in the past (rfc3390) and the
>RFC claims that studies then suggested that the benefits were all
>positive. Some reasonably smart people have suggested that it might
>be time to review the status quo again so it doesn't seem completely
>obvious that the current number is optimal?

Do you cite "An Argument for Increasing TCP's Initial Congestion Window"?
People at google stated that a CWND of 10 seems to be fair in their
measurements. 10 because the test setup was equipped with a reasonable large
link capacity? Do they analyse their modification in environments with a small
BDP (e.g. multihop MANET setup, ...)? I am curious, but We will see what
happens if TCPM adopts this.

>That RFC is a subtle read - it appears to give more specific guidance
>on what to do in certain situations, but I'm not sure I see that it
>improves slow start convergence speed for my situation (large RTT)?
>Would you mind highlighting the new bits for those of us a bit newer
>to the subject?

The objection/hint was more of general nature - not specific for larger RTTs.
Environments with larger RTTs are disadvantaged because TCP is ACK clocked.
Half-truth statement for my part because RTT fairness is and was an issue at
the development of new congestion control algorithms: BIC, CUBIC and friends.

>>Partial local issues can already be "fixed" via route specific ip options -
>>see initcwnd.
>
>Oh, excellent.  This seems like exactly what I'm after.  (Thanks
>Stephen Hemminger!)

Great, you are welcome! ;-)


Hagen



  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-14 22:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-14 10:43 Raise initial congestion window size / speedup slow start? Ed W
2010-07-14 11:58 ` Alan Cox
2010-07-14 15:21 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-07-14 18:15   ` David Miller
2010-07-14 18:48     ` Ed W
2010-07-14 19:10       ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-07-14 21:47         ` Mitchell Erblich
2010-07-14 20:17       ` Rick Jones
2010-07-14 20:39         ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-14 21:55           ` David Miller
2010-07-14 22:13             ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-14 22:19               ` Rick Jones
2010-07-14 22:40                 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-14 22:52               ` Ed W
2010-07-14 23:01                 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-14 23:05                   ` Ed W
2010-07-15  3:49               ` Bill Fink
2010-07-15  5:29                 ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-15 19:51                   ` Rick Jones
2010-07-15 20:48                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-07-16  0:23                       ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-16  9:03                 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-16  9:03                   ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-15 10:33               ` Alan Cox
2010-07-14 22:05           ` Ed W
2010-07-14 22:36             ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer [this message]
2010-07-14 23:01               ` Ed W
2010-07-15  4:12           ` Tom Herbert
2010-07-15  7:48             ` Ed W
2010-07-15 17:36               ` Jerry Chu
2010-07-15  5:09           ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-15  2:52     ` Bill Fink
2010-07-15  4:51     ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-16 17:01       ` Patrick McManus
2010-07-16 17:41         ` Ed W
2010-07-17  1:23           ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-17  0:36         ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-19 17:08           ` Rick Jones
2010-07-19 22:51             ` H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-07-19 23:42               ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-07-15 23:14     ` Bill Davidsen
2010-07-15 23:14       ` Bill Davidsen
2010-07-14 18:32   ` Ed W
2010-07-15 15:10     ` Bill Davidsen
2010-07-16  2:58 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

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