From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
Cc: Nils Cant <nils.cant@kangaroot.net>, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: KVM doesn't send an arp announce after live migrating a domain
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:43:12 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100825084312.GH10499@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C74D641.6020907@msgid.tls.msk.ru>
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:37:21PM +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> 25.08.2010 11:52, Nils Cant wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > not sure if this is a bug or a feature request. It's just something
> > we've noticed and are having problems with.
> >
> > We're using the qemu-kvm lenny-backports package on Debian 5.0.5.
> >
> > When doing a live migration from the virsh shell, the server in question
> > becomes unreachable because the ARP cache on our switches still thinks
> > the server is on another port.
> >
> > As soon as the server sends out some traffic, such as a ping, the ARP
> > cache get's updated as expected. If it does nothing, the server remains
> > unreachable until the ARP cache expires on the switches. (in our case 4
> > hours)
> >
> > We would like to be able to do live migration for customer machines on
> > which we have no access, so we really need KVM to send out an ARP
> > announcement/gratuitous ARP when doing a live migration.
> >
> > Could anyone tell me if this is a bug in KVM, libvirt, or the debian
> > qemu-kvm package? (or if I'm doing something wrong? :-) )
>
> It's probably a bug in your understanding ;)
>
> Jokes aside, the thing is that kvm does not know what is
> an ARP and what is an IP address. It emulates a hardware
> network card, which never sends any ARP out by its own,
> it is the operating system IP stack who's doing that.
> That network card as emulated by kvm does not know what
> IP addresses are assigned to it inside the guest (there
> may be many, or may be none at all), so it just can not
> send the ARPs.
>
True. Although qemu sends gratuitous ARP the IP field there is
incorrect. It is done to update layer 2 topology, not layer 3.
> These ARPs should be sent by guest. Another question is
> how to force/tell it to do so, and this is, again, depends
> on the guest operating system, number of addresses assigned
> to the interface and so on.
>
> The mechanism to trigger it may be based on link status
> of the card for example - kvm may lower it for a few ms
> right after migration, to indicate that the "cord" were
> un-plugged and plugged back, to force the guest to do
> whatever it needs to do... But that's just a possibility
> for future development.
>
> /mjt
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-25 8:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-25 7:52 KVM doesn't send an arp announce after live migrating a domain Nils Cant
2010-08-25 8:37 ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-25 8:43 ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2010-08-25 10:51 ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-25 10:59 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-25 11:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-25 11:36 ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-25 12:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-25 8:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-25 9:21 ` Nils Cant
2010-08-25 10:40 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 10:52 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-08-25 11:05 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 11:15 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-08-25 11:30 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 11:36 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-08-25 11:38 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 11:42 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-08-25 11:59 ` Avi Kivity
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