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From: Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com>
To: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <kees.cook@canonical.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, oss-security@lists.openwall.com,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] exec argument expansion can inappropriately trigger OOM-killer
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:48:06 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100830194806.GC25870@openwall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100830100616.78971400D9@magilla.sf.frob.com>

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 03:06:16AM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote:
> And I say, if your userland process could really allocate another 200GB,
> then more power to you, you can do it with an exec too.  If you could do
> the same with a userland stack allocation, and spend all that time in
> strlen calls and then memcpy, you can do it inside execve too.  If it
> takes days, that's what you asked for, and it's your process.  It just
> ought to be every bit (or near enough) as preemptible and interruptible
> as that normal userland activity ought to be.

This makes sense to me.  However, introducing a new preemption point
may violate assumptions under which the code was written and reviewed
in the past.  In the worst case, we'd introduce/expose race conditions
allowing for privilege escalation.

> So, perhaps we want this (count already has a cond_resched in its loop):

Good point re: count() already having this (I think it did not in 2.2).

> @@ -400,6 +403,10 @@ static int copy_strings(int argc, const 
>  		int len;
>  		unsigned long pos;
>  
> +		if (signal_pending(current))
> +			return -ERESTARTNOINTR;
> +		cond_resched();

So, in current kernels, you're making it possible for more kinds of
things to change after prepare_binprm() but before
search_binary_handler().  We'd need to check for possible implications
of this.

I must admit I am not familiar with what additional kinds of things may
change when execution is preempted.  This made a significant difference
in some much older kernels (many years ago), but now that the kernel
makes a lot less use of locking most things may be changed by another
CPU even without preemption.  So does anyone have a list of what
additional risks we're exposed to, if any, when we allow preemption in
current kernels?

> Has someone reported this BUG_ON failure mode with a reproducer?

64bit_dos.c was supposed to be the reproducer, and I managed to get it
to work (as I've documented in another message earlier today).  The
prerequisites appeared to be (some of these might be specific to my
tests, though):

- 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland support (e.g., CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION);
- 64-bit build of 64bit_dos.c;
- 32-bit build of the target program;
- no dynamic linking in the target program;
- "ulimit -s unlimited" before running the reproducer program;
- over 3 GB of RAM in the system.

> [...]  Rather than better enabling OOM killing, I think what really
> makes sense is for the nascent mm to be marked such that allocations in
> it (they'll be from get_arg_page->get_user_pages->handle_mm_fault) just
> fail with ENOMEM before it resorts to the OOM killer (or perhaps even to
> very aggressive pageout).  That should percolate back to the execve just
> failing with ENOMEM, which is nicer than OOM kill even if the OOM killer
> actually does pick exactly and only the right target.

I agree.

Thanks,

Alexander

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-30 19:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-27 22:02 [PATCH] exec argument expansion can inappropriately trigger OOM-killer Kees Cook
2010-08-30  0:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-30  0:56 ` Roland McGrath
2010-08-30  3:23   ` Solar Designer
2010-08-30  3:23     ` Solar Designer
2010-08-30 10:06     ` Roland McGrath
2010-08-30 19:48       ` Solar Designer [this message]
2010-08-31  0:40         ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-08  2:34       ` [PATCH 0/3] execve argument-copying fixes Roland McGrath
2010-09-08  2:35         ` [PATCH 1/3] setup_arg_pages: diagnose excessive argument size Roland McGrath
2010-09-08  8:29           ` pageexec
2010-09-10  8:59             ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-10  8:59               ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-11 13:30               ` pageexec
2010-09-11 13:30                 ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
2010-09-14 19:33                 ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-14 22:35                   ` pageexec
2010-09-14 22:35                     ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
2010-09-08 11:57           ` Brad Spengler
2010-09-09  5:31             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-10  9:25               ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-10  9:25                 ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-10  9:43                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-11 13:39                 ` pageexec
2010-09-11 13:39                   ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
2010-09-14 18:51                   ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-14 18:51                     ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-14 20:28                     ` pageexec
2010-09-14 20:28                       ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
2010-09-14 21:16                       ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-14 21:16                         ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-14 22:27                         ` pageexec
2010-09-14 22:27                           ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
2010-09-14 23:04                           ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-14 23:04                             ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-15  9:27                             ` pageexec
2010-09-15  9:27                               ` pageexec-Y8qEzhMunLyT9ig0jae3mg
2010-09-10  9:18             ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-10  9:18               ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-08  2:36         ` [PATCH 2/3] execve: improve interactivity with large arguments Roland McGrath
2010-09-08  2:37         ` [PATCH 3/3] execve: make responsive to SIGKILL " Roland McGrath
2010-09-08  3:00         ` [PATCH 0/3] execve argument-copying fixes KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-09  5:01         ` [PATCH 0/2] execve memory exhaust of " KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-09  5:03           ` [PATCH 1/2] oom: don't ignore rss in nascent mm KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-09 22:05             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-09-10  9:39               ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-10  9:39                 ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-10  9:57               ` [PATCH] move cred_guard_mutex from task_struct to signal_struct KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-10 17:24                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-09-16  5:51                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-09  5:04           ` [PATCH 2/2] execve: check the VM has enough memory at first KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-10 15:06             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-09-14  1:52               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-16  5:51                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-16 15:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-08-30 17:49     ` [PATCH] exec argument expansion can inappropriately trigger OOM-killer Solar Designer
2010-08-30 17:49       ` Solar Designer
2010-08-30 22:08       ` Brad Spengler
2010-08-30 22:08         ` Brad Spengler
2010-08-31 11:53         ` Solar Designer
2010-08-31 11:53           ` Solar Designer
2010-08-31 11:56         ` [PATCH] exec argument expansion can inappropriately triggerOOM-killer Tetsuo Handa

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