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From: Chris Ball <cjb@laptop.org>
To: Haavard Skinnemoen <haavard.skinnemoen@atmel.com>
Cc: Ben Nizette <bn@niasdigital.com>,
	linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org, Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pierre Ossman <pierre@ossman.eu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmc: Reduce fOD to 200 kHz if possible
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:08:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100915140840.GB1677@void.printf.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100915125138.1f25e4b1@hskinnemoen-d830>

Hi Haavard,

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:51:38PM +0200, Haavard Skinnemoen wrote:
> Thanks for the references. IMO Hein's patch is overkill. There is
> absolutely no reason why 200 kHz should be a problem on any setup, and
> I haven't found any indication in any discussions that it is.

Pierre was worried that we'd ping-pong between having an f_min too high
for some cards and too low for others, and be breaking a new set of
cards each time we changed the value.  He may have been being overly
pessimistic, but I don't think being cautious comes with any significant
downsides here.

There's also a (small) performance concern when f_min gets low, though
I agree that it wouldn't be a problem at 200 kHz.

> The reason why fOD was set to 400 kHz in the first place is that some
> controllers have a very low f_min so running the initialization at that
> frequency causes problems. Which makes sense because the SD standard
> clearly says that the clock can't be slower than 100 kHz.
> 
> But I have never seen any reasons why we absolutely _have_ to run the
> clock at the maximum frequency allowed by the spec. In fact, Sascha
> Hauer, who was the one who changed the minimum clock frequency to 400
> kHz, said he would be fine with any frequency between 50 kHz and 400
> kHz [1].

I agree that we aren't trying to run at the maximum possible frequency,
just trying to avoid having to choose a single perfect value without
enough information on what it is.

Thanks,

-- 
Chris Ball   <cjb@laptop.org>   <http://printf.net/>
One Laptop Per Child

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-15 14:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-15  8:59 [PATCH] mmc: Reduce fOD to 200 kHz if possible Haavard Skinnemoen
2010-09-15  9:50 ` Ben Nizette
2010-09-15 10:51   ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2010-09-15 14:08     ` Chris Ball [this message]
2010-09-15 14:31     ` Hein_Tibosch
2010-09-15 15:10       ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2010-09-15 13:57 ` Chris Ball
2010-09-16  7:55   ` Haavard Skinnemoen

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