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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/17] fs: Convert nr_inodes to a per-cpu counter
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 02:07:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101016020744.366bd9c6.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1287217748.2799.68.camel@edumazet-laptop>

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:29:08 +0200 Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:

> Le samedi 16 octobre 2010 __ 18:55 +1100, Nick Piggin a __crit :
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 04:10:39PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 09:53:22PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:18:48 +1000 Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
> > > > > 
> > > > > The number of inodes allocated does not need to be tied to the
> > > > > addition or removal of an inode to/from a list. If we are not tied
> > > > > to a list lock, we could update the counters when inodes are
> > > > > initialised or destroyed, but to do that we need to convert the
> > > > > counters to be per-cpu (i.e. independent of a lock). This means that
> > > > > we have the freedom to change the list/locking implementation
> > > > > without needing to care about the counters.
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > +int get_nr_inodes(void)
> > > > > +{
> > > > > +	int i;
> > > > > +	int sum = 0;
> > > > > +	for_each_possible_cpu(i)
> > > > > +		sum += per_cpu(nr_inodes, i);
> > > > > +	return sum < 0 ? 0 : sum;
> > > > > +}
> > > > 
> > > > This reimplements percpu_counter_sum_positive(), rather poorly
> > 
> > Why is it poorly?
> 
> Nick
> 
> Some people believe percpu_counter object is the right answer to such
> distributed counters, because the loop is done on 'online' cpus instead
> of 'possible' cpus. "It must be better if number of possible cpus is
> 4096 and only one or two cpus are online"...
> 
> But if we do this loop only on rare events, like
> "cat /proc/sys/fs/inode-nr", then the percpu_counter() is more
> expensive, because percpu_add() _is_ more expensive :
> 
> - Its a function call and lot of instructions/cycles per call, while
> this_cpu_inc(nr_inodes) is a single instruction, using no register on
> x86.

You want an inlined percpu_counter_inc() then write one!  Bonus points
for writing this_cpu_add_return() and doing it without a
preempt_disable().  It collapses to just a few instructions.

It's extremely poor form to say "oh X sucks so I'm going to implement
my own" without first addressing why X allegedly sucks.

> - Its possibly accessing a shared spinlock and counter when the percpu
> counter reaches the batch limit.

That's in the noise foor.

> To recap : nr_inodes is not a counter that needs to be estimated in real
> time, since we have not limit on number of inodes in the machine (limit
> is the memory allocator).
> 
> Unless someone can prove "cat /proc/sys/fs/inode-nr" must be performed
> thousand of times per second on their setup, the choice I made to scale
> nr_inodes is better over the 'obvious percpu_counter choice'
> 
> This choice was made to scale some counters in network stack some years
> ago, and this rocks.

And we get open-coded reimplementations of the same damn thing all over
the tree.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-16  9:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-29 12:18 [PATCH 0/17] fs: Inode cache scalability Dave Chinner
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 01/17] kernel: add bl_list Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  4:52   ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-16  7:55     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:28       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-01  5:48   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 02/17] fs: icache lock s_inodes list Dave Chinner
2010-10-01  5:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:54     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:12       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:09         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-17  0:42           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-17  2:03             ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 03/17] fs: icache lock inode hash Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  4:52   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-30  6:13     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-01  6:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:57     ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 04/17] fs: icache lock i_state Dave Chinner
2010-10-01  5:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:54     ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 05/17] fs: icache lock i_count Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  4:52   ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-01  5:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-01  6:04       ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-01  6:16         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-01  6:23           ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 06/17] fs: icache lock lru/writeback lists Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  4:52   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-30  6:16     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-16  7:55     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-01  6:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-05 22:30     ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 07/17] fs: icache atomic inodes_stat Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  4:52   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-30  6:20     ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  6:37       ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-16  7:56     ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 08/17] fs: icache protect inode state Dave Chinner
2010-10-01  6:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:54     ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 09/17] fs: Make last_ino, iunique independent of inode_lock Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  4:53   ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-01  6:08   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:54     ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 10/17] fs: icache remove inode_lock Dave Chinner
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 11/17] fs: Factor inode hash operations into functions Dave Chinner
2010-10-01  6:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:54     ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 12/17] fs: Introduce per-bucket inode hash locks Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  1:52   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-30  2:43     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-16  7:55     ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 13/17] fs: Implement lazy LRU updates for inodes Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  2:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:54     ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 14/17] fs: Inode counters do not need to be atomic Dave Chinner
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 15/17] fs: inode per-cpu last_ino allocator Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  2:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-06  6:29     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-06  8:51       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-30  4:53   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-30  5:36     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-09-30  7:53       ` Eric Dumazet
2010-09-30  7:53         ` Eric Dumazet
2010-09-30  8:14         ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-30 10:22           ` [PATCH] " Eric Dumazet
2010-09-30 16:45             ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-30 17:28               ` Eric Dumazet
2010-09-30 17:28                 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-09-30 17:39                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-30 18:05                   ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-01  6:12                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-01  6:45                   ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-01  6:45                     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-16  6:36                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16  6:40                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 16/17] fs: Convert nr_inodes to a per-cpu counter Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  2:12   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-30  4:53   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-30  6:10     ` Dave Chinner
2010-10-16  7:55       ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16  8:29         ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-16  8:29           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-16  9:07           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-10-16  9:31             ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-16  9:31               ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-16 14:19               ` [PATCH] percpu_counter : add percpu_counter_add_fast() Eric Dumazet
2010-10-18 15:24                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-18 15:39                   ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-18 15:39                     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-18 16:12                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 22:37                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-21 23:10                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-22  0:45                     ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-22  1:55                       ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-22  1:55                         ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-22  1:58                         ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-22  2:14                           ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-22  4:12                       ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-22  4:12                         ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-21 22:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-21 22:58                   ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-21 23:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-21 23:22                       ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-21 23:22                         ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-21 22:31               ` [PATCH 16/17] fs: Convert nr_inodes to a per-cpu counter Andrew Morton
2010-10-21 22:58                 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-02 16:02     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-29 12:18 ` [PATCH 17/17] fs: Clean up inode reference counting Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  2:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16  7:55     ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-16 16:14       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 17:09         ` Nick Piggin
2010-09-30  4:53   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-29 23:57 ` [PATCH 0/17] fs: Inode cache scalability Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-30  0:24   ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-30  2:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-02 23:10 ` Carlos Carvalho
2010-10-04  7:22   ` Dave Chinner

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