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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: seabios@seabios.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCHv6 00/16] boot order specification
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 21:16:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101128191652.GG14385@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101128190029.6136.qmail@stuge.se>

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 08:00:29PM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > There is no way for qemu to know about BCVs or BEVs
> 
> This is very much the key point.
> 
> In order to have command line control over the boot process, the
> machine and the firmware must agree on things.
> 
> I see two options:
> 
> 1. QEMU works very very hard to provide a machine that will result in
> a particular BBS program flow in firmware, in the end resulting in
> the desired device being used for booting - as long as QEMU and the
> firmware happen to have the same understanding of the BBS.
> 
Since qemu knows nothing about BCVs and BEVs it can't implement 1 since
it can't know what BBS flow will look like in Seabios.

> 2. QEMU passes boot instructions to the firmware based on immediate,
> common, structured data.
What is this "immediate, common, structured data"? This is the crux of
the problem really.

> 
> The first option seems disgusting to me, because it has many
> drawbacks and no benefits.
> 
> The second option requires inventing something that goes beyond the
> established BIOS standards, maybe a reason for it to see fierce
> resistance, but it is the only thing that makes sense.
> 
> Specifying boot device using PCI BDF is a great example of using
> common structured data. That BDF exists both in machine and firmware
> data models. The scope of BBS is limited to the firmware, so it is
> not really practical for creating consistency in a dynamic machine.
> 
B from BDF does not exists in machine data model.

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-28 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-17 16:43 [PATCHv6 00/16] boot order specification Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 01/16] Introduce fw_name field to DeviceInfo structure Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 02/16] Introduce new BusInfo callback get_fw_dev_path Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 03/16] Keep track of ISA ports ISA device is using in qdev Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 04/16] Add get_fw_dev_path callback to ISA bus " Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 05/16] Store IDE bus id in IDEBus structure for easy access Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 06/16] Add get_fw_dev_path callback to IDE bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 07/16] Add get_dev_path callback for system bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 08/16] Add get_fw_dev_path callback for pci bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 09/16] Record which USBDevice USBPort belongs too Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 10/16] Add get_dev_path callback for usb bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 11/16] Add get_dev_path callback to scsi bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [PATCHv6 12/16] Add bootindex parameter to net/block/fd device Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:44 ` [PATCHv6 13/16] Change fw_cfg_add_file() to get full file path as a parameter Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:44 ` [PATCHv6 14/16] Add bootindex for option roms Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:44 ` [PATCHv6 15/16] Add notifier that will be called when machine is fully created Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:44 ` [PATCHv6 16/16] Pass boot device list to firmware Gleb Natapov
2010-11-23 15:31 ` [PATCHv6 00/16] boot order specification Gleb Natapov
2010-11-23 16:12   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-23 19:30     ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-27 20:56     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28  7:54       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28  9:38         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28  9:47           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 12:39         ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-28 13:03           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 13:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:19           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 13:22             ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-28 17:02               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 17:23             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 18:54               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 19:09                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 19:20                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 13:25           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24  1:19   ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-24 10:03     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 15:41       ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-27 16:22         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 16:49           ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-27 17:06             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 17:47               ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-27 18:15                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 18:40                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-27 19:04                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 21:07                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-28  7:45                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 17:15                           ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-28 18:47                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 19:11                               ` [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2010-11-28 19:52                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-30  1:34                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-30 14:01                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-12-01  2:53                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-12-01 12:27                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-12-02  2:25                                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-12-02 12:30                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-12-02 15:07                                           ` [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2010-12-02 17:13                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-12-02 21:22                                           ` Sebastian Herbszt
2010-12-03  2:01                                           ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-12-03  5:55                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-29 10:50                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-11-30  1:55                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-30 14:59                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 19:00                           ` [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2010-11-28 19:16                             ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2010-11-29 10:19                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-11-29 12:07                       ` Gleb Natapov

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