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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch] mm: skip rebalance of hopeless zones
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 01:04:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101209000440.GM2356@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101208141909.5c9c60e8.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 02:19:09PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed,  8 Dec 2010 16:16:59 +0100
> Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> 
> > Kswapd tries to rebalance zones persistently until their high
> > watermarks are restored.
> > 
> > If the amount of unreclaimable pages in a zone makes this impossible
> > for reclaim, though, kswapd will end up in a busy loop without a
> > chance of reaching its goal.
> > 
> > This behaviour was observed on a virtual machine with a tiny
> > Normal-zone that filled up with unreclaimable slab objects.
> 
> Doesn't this mean that vmscan is incorrectly handling its
> zone->all_unreclaimable logic?

I don't think so.  What leads to the problem is that we only declare a
zone unreclaimable after a lot of work, but reset it with a single
page that gets released back to the allocator (past the pcp queue,
that is).

That's probably a good idea per-se, we don't want to leave a zone
behind and retry it eagerly when pages are freed up.

> presumably in certain cases that's a bit more efficient than doing the
> scan and using ->all_unreclaimable.  But the scanner shouldn't have got
> stuck!  That's a regresion which got added, and I don't think that new
> code of this nature was needed to fix that regression.

I'll dig through the history.  But we observed this on a very odd
configuration (24MB ZONE_NORMAL), maybe this was never hit before?

> Did this zone end up with ->all_unreclaimable set?  If so, why was
> kswapd stuck in a loop scanning an all-unreclaimable zone?

It wasn't.  This state is just not very sticky.  After all, the zone
is not all_unreclaimable, just not reclaimable enough to restore the
high watermark.  But the remaining reclaimable pages of that zone may
very well be in constant flux.

> Also, if I'm understanding the new logic then if the "goal" is 100
> pages and zone_reclaimable_pages() says "50 pages potentially
> reclaimable" then kswapd won't reclaim *any* pages.  If so, is that
> good behaviour?  Should we instead attempt to reclaim some of those 50
> pages and then give up?  That sounds like a better strategy if we want
> to keep (say) network Rx happening in a tight memory situation.

Yes, that is probably a good idea.  I'll see that this is improved for
atomic allocators.

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-09  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-08 15:16 [patch] mm: skip rebalance of hopeless zones Johannes Weiner
2010-12-08 18:05 ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-08 22:19 ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-09  0:04   ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2010-12-09 21:17     ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-10 16:27       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-01-05 11:15         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-01-04 23:56     ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-09  0:47   ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-09 14:34   ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-09  0:36 ` Simon Kirby
2010-12-09  0:49   ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-09  1:08     ` Simon Kirby
2010-12-09 14:42       ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-09  1:23   ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-09  1:55     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09  1:57       ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09  2:01       ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-09  2:19         ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09  5:18         ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09  2:05     ` Simon Kirby
2010-12-09  8:55     ` Pekka Enberg
2010-12-09 14:46       ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 14:44     ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 18:03       ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-09 18:48       ` Ying Han
2010-12-10 11:34         ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 18:39     ` Ying Han
2010-12-10 11:37       ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 19:46         ` Ying Han
2010-12-09  1:29 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09 18:51 ` Ying Han
2010-12-10  7:25   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-12-10  7:37     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-12-10 10:54   ` Johannes Weiner

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