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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: Jerome Glisse <j.glisse-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Dave Martin <dave.martin-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linaro-dev-cunTk1MwBs8s++Sfvej+rw@public.gmane.org,
	dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Freescale Linux BSP review
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:29:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201012202029.06158.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimO9gQ3uOor3DBW8=EAe8-cVPz9jm9-UmGv1GhV-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Monday 20 December 2010 19:07:30 Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > I also do not think that it is at all kernel policy to disallow kernel
> > drivers which do not have opensource userspace components. In fact,
> > Linus Torvalds begs to differ on this matter. The fact of the matter
> > is that the driver lives now, Qualcomm have it in their upstream,
> > Freescale have it in their upstream, Linaro are going to fetch from
> > that. It doesn't need to go all the way to stable, because people can
> > compile their own kernels if they want (and Linaro is there provide
> > the source to do that with the best interoperability with the silicon
> > vendors' chips as possible).
> 
> I was just expressing my opinion on upstream, if i see this driver
> showing up on lkml i will reply with a nak and explain why (pretty
> much same argument as here). I don't have any authority on linux
> kernel but as far as i understand it, it's about reviewing what's gets
> in, so i hope my review opinion would matter (what ever the out come
> is).

There is a broad agreement on disallowing new kernel to userspace
interfaces in the upstream kernel unless there is an application
using it that is both open source and considered useful.

I don't think Linaro as a group takes a position or should take
a position on closed source user space at all -- we just don't
need to bother with it because we have enough work to do on free
components. However, we have a policy on kernel code and that is
as I mentioned before that we don't take code unless it's about to
go upstream. In this case, upstream doesn't take the driver, so
Linaro won't either.

	Arnd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-12-20 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <A0FE16A2704AB741A3E0B2C29D6E77FF015710@039-SN1MPN1-004.039d.mgd.msft.net>
     [not found] ` <AANLkTinV7C90jy=DdLMO6=_dti6TsTCRsD8o3tTT0J=3@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTimu8MKUoF7ywpkdGXdLocDp9e_5ya-0Rh0JFhhx@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <AANLkTimu8MKUoF7ywpkdGXdLocDp9e_5ya-0Rh0JFhhx-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-13 15:18       ` Freescale Linux BSP review Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-13 16:11         ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]           ` <AANLkTikqKb238p5kdwWu55-e5rr9CfP8gPdYE=ztpms_-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  2:04             ` Jammy Zhou
2010-12-14  2:06               ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                 ` <AANLkTinRdmfL+Jce_gRwuWP_F-G82a9hsUwtH8H-+_N5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  2:30                   ` Jammy Zhou
2010-12-14  2:35                     ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]         ` <201012131618.04298.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  1:59           ` Jammy Zhou
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTikpN0ALBKmhaT6eQG2oecti-81FPB80OPp3+VcS-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  2:35               ` Eric Miao
     [not found]                 ` <AANLkTikNW7T2_=UMB=uf7w+fW5V7FX0wA4jrx8J=2EZL-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-14  8:59                   ` Marcin Juszkiewicz
2010-12-14 13:15                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-20 16:18           ` Matt Sealey
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTinGNK3Jv5wfjmAzwvV3xcKsTVcO7PLb+v7Py0TX-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-20 17:17               ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                 ` <AANLkTikgXy8jr5Obxk9CYTX8BUvsOiO5sMpUsEcsdQxV-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-20 17:41                   ` Matt Sealey
     [not found]                     ` <AANLkTikxidr1eFmMxFNWGLmpN4Kn1MTcDiX52yUXBbR7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-20 18:07                       ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                         ` <AANLkTimO9gQ3uOor3DBW8=EAe8-cVPz9jm9-UmGv1GhV-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-20 19:29                           ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2010-12-20 20:14                     ` Alan Cox
2010-12-20 19:54               ` Dave Airlie
2010-12-20 20:09                 ` Alan Cox
2010-12-21  2:17                   ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012210313040.9770-APZTmCvJ1e4cvTeJY7g42e4opr6GJZWbqwyb7XGsRfw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-21 11:50                       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                         ` <201012211250.10793.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-21 17:29                           ` Matt Sealey
2010-12-21 19:12                             ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                             ` <AANLkTimotkPt5fc8-3DPSK5urD-1+XroagLcFdhjc4zu-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22  1:32                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-12-22  1:54                                 ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
     [not found]                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012220252230.9770-APZTmCvJ1e4cvTeJY7g42e4opr6GJZWbqwyb7XGsRfw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22  2:36                                     ` Dave Airlie
2010-12-22  3:07                                       ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
     [not found]                                 ` <AANLkTikENVUbf76ck6XeXC0+na9-EpEtWgjS_mD2G26--JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22  7:51                                   ` Matt Sealey
     [not found]                                     ` <AANLkTinKO8UHO8RcrVHyZi3jbi_Y==-HZ86eBnfXBgZ--JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 11:02                                       ` Konstantinos Margaritis
     [not found]                                         ` <AANLkTikmK+SOupH3WsB338QQ=Wwg6dGgaM6SfK_XxUC9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 11:49                                           ` David Rusling
     [not found]                                             ` <865A2CE2-D623-4478-A96B-6DF7942AEC39-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 17:20                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                                 ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1012221006130.10437-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 17:38                                                   ` Tom Gall
     [not found]                                                     ` <AANLkTimbn4FBQM0FQCyuweTE7g0__T5rnvpcPrZdGDuN-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 18:23                                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-12-22 18:39                                                 ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
     [not found]                                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012221932410.9770-APZTmCvJ1e4cvTeJY7g42e4opr6GJZWbqwyb7XGsRfw@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 18:49                                                     ` Konstantinos Margaritis
     [not found]                                                       ` <AANLkTi=Zo=Y=9170DCp1_7uzwePzmzXxxroobXzExHOM-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 19:22                                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                                           ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1012221411330.10437-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 19:46                                                             ` Konstantinos Margaritis
     [not found]                                                               ` <AANLkTikCPqqjhU+QtYtpYusgQfOBAtK2vWX3b6gidaFF-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-22 20:09                                                                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-12-22 20:29                                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-12-22 23:52                                                                   ` Xavier Bestel
2010-12-23  0:19                                                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-12-22 20:30                                                               ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
2010-12-22 20:20                                                       ` Piotr Gluszenia Slawinski
2010-12-23 17:17                                               ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                                 ` <20101223171701.72cb14db-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-23 17:40                                                   ` David Rusling
2010-12-22 18:23                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2010-12-23 16:46                               ` Alan Cox
2010-12-23 16:07             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-12-14  8:42         ` Dave Airlie

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