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From: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	jan.kratochvil@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Proposal for ptrace improvements
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:57:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201103011757.48593.vda.linux@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110301152457.GE26074@htj.dyndns.org>

On Tuesday 01 March 2011 16:24, Tejun Heo wrote:
> PROPOSAL
> --------
> ...
> P3. Keep ptrace resume separate from and beneath jctl stop
> 
> As written above, I think the current ptrace behavior, despite a lot
> of rough edges, is in the right direction in that ptrace operates
> beneath jctl.  Therefore, keep the basic operation principles but
> clearly define how jctl and ptrace interacts, or rather, how they
> don't.  The following two rules clearly separate jctl and ptrace.
> 
> * jctl stop initiates when one of the stop signals is received and
>   completes when all the member tasks participate in the group stop,
>   where participation preciesly means that a member task stops in
>   do_signal_stop().  Any member task can only participate once in any
>   given group stop.  ptrace does NOT make any difference in this
>   regard.

This proposal adds a new rule for handling of stop notification
by debuggers. Let's spell it out, because currently strace
doesn't act according to this new rule:


"When waitpid indicates stop on a *stop* signal, then it may be either:
* a signal delivery (strace will inject this signal with PTRACE_SYSCALL(sig));
* or it may be a stop notification, in which case strace *must not*
  try to inject this signal (this would be a bug, it'd make task running).
  Instead, strace should just go back to waiting in waitpid().

These two possibilities can be distinquished by querying
PTRACE_GETSIGINFO. On stop notifications, PTRACE_GETSIGINFO
errors out - stop notification is not a signal delivery
and therefore it has no siginfo."


This is easy to implement (in strace at least).

> * However, PTRACE_DETACH should maintain the integrity of group stop.
>   After a tracee is detached, it should be in a state which is
>   conformant to the current jctl state.  If jctl stop is in effect,
>   the task should be put into TASK_STOPPED; otherwise, TASK_RUNNING.

This means that without changes to gdb, this:

# gdb -p pid_of_application_currently_in_jctl_stop
(gdb) print getpid()
(gdb) print show_me_your_internal_debug_dump()
(gdb) continue

will make application run, whereas this:

# gdb -p pid_of_application_currently_in_jctl_stop
(gdb) print getpid()
(gdb) print show_me_your_internal_debug_dump()
(gdb) quit

will leave application stopped. This looks a bit inconsistent to me.

Do you propose gdb to be chaged so that "continue" command
issues PTRACE_CONT only if gdb knows that application is not
in jctl stop?

-- 
vda

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-01 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-01 15:24 [RFC] Proposal for ptrace improvements Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 16:57 ` Denys Vlasenko [this message]
2011-03-01 17:09   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 17:12     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 17:21     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-01 18:34       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 23:51         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:10           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02  5:07         ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-02  7:44           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:32             ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-02 11:52               ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 14:50               ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 13:32             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-03  0:47               ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-03  1:30                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-03  1:55                   ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-03  7:03                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 19:06 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-01 22:14   ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:28     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 10:58       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 16:14     ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-04 16:41       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 17:07       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 18:12         ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-05  8:47           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 22:59 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:32   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:02     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 11:23       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-03 19:26         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-01 23:16 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:37   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:21     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 11:27       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:48         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 14:43           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 15:16             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 15:25               ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-03 17:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-03 20:22   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04  8:23     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 18:16       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-05  8:33         ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 13:01     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 13:41       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 13:59         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 14:07           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 14:31             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 14:40               ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 17:05                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 17:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 18:59                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 19:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 16:13               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 16:30                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04  8:44   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 16:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 16:15       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 16:26         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-07 15:08 ` PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT: " Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-09  9:41   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-09 17:30     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-07 20:43 ` Roland McGrath
2011-03-09 10:28   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-10 18:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-11  8:13       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-11  8:22       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-11  9:35         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2011-03-11  9:43           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-14  1:03     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-03-10 15:55   ` Steven Rostedt

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