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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Steve French <smfrench-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Shirish Pargaonkar
	<shirishpargaonkar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-cifs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cifs: Allow nfsd over cifs
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:48:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110301204807.GF20599@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikaGd6EzNBWkYrJM3upP4fnBUx4p7c_29cLReLX-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:38:27PM -0600, Steve French wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:34 PM, J. Bruce Fields <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:11:32PM -0600, Steve French wrote:
> >> I vaguely remember that the same problem can occur with nfsd on a
> >> local file system
> >
> > Not true; as I've said, exportable local filesystems know how to look up
> > a file on disk by filehandle.
> >
> >> and that nfs clients have to be able to recover from
> >> ESTALE (e.g. lookup/delete/create/lookup would fail with ESTALE
> >> otherwise).
> >
> > It is true, however, that there are some *other* cases when a server can
> > return ESTALE.  In those cases (such as the one Peter Staubach discusses
> > in more detail at http://lwn.net/Articles/272684/) there may be some
> > recovery that a client might reasonably attempt.
> >
> > Alas, no client can be expected to recover from ESTALE errors on an
> > opened file--those will just be passed on to the application.
> 
> If this is v4 (only) wouldn't we always have an open->dentry in cache?

That's correct, but only as long as the server is running.  We need
reboot recovery to work as well.

Also:

	- NFSv4 uptake is still rather small as far as I know, so the v3
	  behavior is important
	- We don't currently have any way to export cifs as v4 only.

--b.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-03-01 20:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-28 21:52 [PATCH] cifs: Allow nfsd over cifs shirishpargaonkar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found] ` <1298929961-5541-1-git-send-email-shirishpargaonkar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-28 22:49   ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]     ` <20110228224957.GB14237-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-28 22:58       ` Steve French
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2011-02-28 23:42           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]             ` <20110228234225.GC14237-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2011-02-28 23:52               ` Steve French
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2011-02-28 23:59                   ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                     ` <20110228235910.GD14237-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-01  2:33                       ` Steve French
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2011-03-01  3:28                           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                             ` <20110301032808.GA17725-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-01 18:07                               ` J. Bruce Fields
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2011-03-01 18:30                                   ` Shirish Pargaonkar
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2011-03-01 19:21                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                         ` <20110301192102.GD20599-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-01 20:09                                           ` Jeff Layton
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2011-03-01 20:11                                               ` Steve French
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2011-03-01 20:31                                                   ` Jeff Layton
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2011-03-01 20:37                                                       ` Steve French
2011-03-01 20:34                                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
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2011-03-01 20:38                                                       ` Steve French
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2011-03-01 20:48                                                           ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
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2011-03-16 15:30                                                               ` Jeff Layton
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2011-03-23 17:57                                                                                                 ` Steve French
2011-03-01  5:17   ` Shirish Pargaonkar

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