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From: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	MyungJoo Ham <myungjoo.ham@samsung.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	"Jean Delvare (PC drivers core)" <khali@linux-fr.org>,
	"Ben Dooks (embedded platforms)" <ben-linux@fluff.org>,
	kyungmin.park@samsung.com, myungjoo.ham@gmail.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] PM / Core: suspend_again callback for device PM.
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:57:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110426205745.GB20381@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110426203853.GC27140@elf.ucw.cz>

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:38:53PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > > To conclude, I'm not sure about the approach.  In particular, I'm not sure
> > > if the benefit is worth the effort and the resulting complications (ie. the
> > > possibility of having to deal with wakeup signals not requested by user
> > > space) seem to be a bit too far reaching.
> > > 
> > > Greg, what do you think?
> > 
> > I agree with you in that I don't think that this type of feature is
> > valid at the moment.
> 
> Our current "solution" is low level suspend code on Zaurus directly
> looking at charger state and doing the "wakeup or not" decision by hand. 
> 
> > I don't understand why our current situation doesn't work, what are we
> > lacking that is needed for these systems that we have not seen
> > before?
> 
> It works, but it is ugly; and it seems samsung now needs similar
> hacks.
> 
> > What is the root problem that this is trying to solve?
> 
> It is trying to fix machines that need to run periodic kernel tasks
> even when user asked them to sleep. Zaurus needs to periodicaly wake
> up to be able to charge battery in s2ram state, for example.

That sounds like a bug in userspace you are trying to work around.  Why
not solve it there first?

thanks,

greg k-h

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-04-26 21:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-20  8:28 [RFC PATCH] PM / Core: suspend_again cb for syscore_ops MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-20 10:36 ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-20 10:36 ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-20 20:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-20 20:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-21  7:03   ` MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-21  7:03   ` MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-26  1:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] PM / Core: suspend_again callback for device PM MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-26 11:47   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 11:47   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 13:17     ` Greg KH
2011-04-26 20:38       ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 20:38       ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 20:49         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 21:11           ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 21:11           ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 21:36             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 21:36             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 22:06               ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 22:06               ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 20:49         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 20:57         ` Greg KH
2011-04-26 20:57         ` Greg KH [this message]
2011-04-26 22:14           ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 22:14           ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 13:17     ` Greg KH
2011-04-26 20:35     ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 20:47       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 20:47       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 21:06         ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 21:06           ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 21:46           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 21:46           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 21:46             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 22:10             ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 22:10             ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 22:10               ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 22:32             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 22:32             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-26 22:32               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-04-27  6:36               ` MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-27  6:36                 ` MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-27  9:46                 ` Stanislav Brabec
2011-04-27  9:46                 ` Stanislav Brabec
2011-04-27  9:46                   ` Stanislav Brabec
2011-04-27 10:47                   ` MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-27 10:47                   ` MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-27 10:47                     ` MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-27  6:36               ` MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-26 21:06         ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26 20:35     ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-26  1:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] PM / Core: suspend_again support for I2C MyungJoo Ham
2011-04-26  1:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/3] PM / Core: suspend_again support for platform_device MyungJoo Ham

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