From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>
Cc: Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davej@redhat.com,
kees.cook@canonical.com, davem@davemloft.net, eranian@google.com,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, adobriyan@gmail.com,
penberg@kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG] perf: bogus correlation of kernel symbols
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 21:35:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110523193554.GA10975@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimOycEf5ZyH64Bee-b1ZkbBKXNGzg@mail.gmail.com>
* Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:49 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> > Well, since entropy does not get reduced on addition of independent variables
> > the right sequence is (pseudocode):
> >
> > rnd = entropy_cycles();
> > rnd += entropy_rdrand();
> > rnd += entropy_RTC();
> > rnd += entropy_system();
>
> I think you mean concatenation rather than addition? Or perhaps XOR, or a
> hash? [...]
Yeah.
In this special case probably concatenation works the best: the above 4 random
variables have total randomness probably less than 32 bits, so we want to
create 4 tight random numbers and concatenate them.
[ XOR would destroy some fair amount of entropy because most of these random
variables have their randomness in their low bits, and a hash would probably
lose about 2 bits and would also be slower. A hash would probably be safer
and more robust though, if we mis-identify any of the random variables. ]
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-23 19:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <1305292059.1949.0.camel@dan>
2011-05-13 13:29 ` [BUG] perf: bogus correlation of kernel symbols Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-16 15:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-16 16:14 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-20 0:56 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-20 12:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-20 12:54 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-20 13:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-20 17:41 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-20 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-20 18:27 ` Kees Cook
2011-05-20 18:34 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-20 18:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-20 18:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-22 6:11 ` david
2011-05-20 18:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-22 18:45 ` Dan Rosenberg
[not found] ` <BANLkTik1SK_kWVvGsKk0SqdByQ5-0b5nFg@mail.gmail.com>
2011-05-23 0:25 ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-05-23 0:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-23 10:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-23 19:02 ` Ray Lee
2011-05-23 19:35 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-05-24 1:59 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-05-24 4:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-12 14:48 Stephane Eranian
2011-05-12 18:06 ` David Miller
2011-05-12 18:37 ` Dave Jones
2011-05-12 19:01 ` David Miller
2011-05-12 19:58 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-13 6:12 ` Kees Cook
2011-05-13 6:24 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-12 20:24 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2011-05-12 21:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-12 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-12 20:43 ` David Miller
2011-05-12 21:07 ` Stephane Eranian
2011-05-12 21:30 ` Stephane Eranian
2011-05-12 21:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-12 21:38 ` Stephane Eranian
2011-05-12 21:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-12 21:56 ` Stephane Eranian
2011-05-12 22:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-12 22:07 ` Dave Jones
2011-05-12 22:15 ` Stephane Eranian
2011-05-13 9:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-13 8:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-13 16:23 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-17 12:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-12 21:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-12 21:41 ` Stephane Eranian
2011-05-12 21:54 ` Ingo Molnar
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