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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, asias.hejun@gmail.com, gorcunov@gmail.com,
	prasadjoshi124@gmail.com,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/8] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:30:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110530103020.GD17821@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1306750963.14564.79.camel@lappy>


* Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 12:13 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 11:56 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > * Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I'm just saying that we're limited to as many VCPU threads as we 
> > > > > can create. br_read_lock() won't do anything on a non-VCPU thread, 
> > > > > which makes it impossible to test it on non-VCPUs.
> > > > 
> > > > btw., i wondered about that limit - don't we want to fix it?
> > > > 
> > > > I mean, there's no fundamental reason why brlocks should do 'nothing' 
> > > > in worker threads. In fact it's a subtle breakage waiting AFAICS.
> > > 
> > > Can they do anything useful without locking? I think we should work 
> > > on integrating an RCU and changing brlocks to use that instead of 
> > > focusing too much on the current implementation.
> > 
> > What do you mean 'without locking'? If a worker thread uses a 
> > br_read_lock() then that will be 'locking'. It should map to a real 
> > read_lock() in the rwlock debug case, etc.
> > 
> I meant without locking anything within br_read_lock(), because we
> wanted to keep the read patch lock-free.

oh, so it's not recursive.

Sane enough - might be worth adding:

	br_is_read_locked(&lock)

and a debug check for that into br_read_lock():

	BUG_ON(br_is_read_locked(&lock));

> > > This will also fix that limit you don't like :)
> > 
> > I'd prefer brlocks to more complex solutions in cases where the write 
> > path is very infrequent!
> > 
> > So we don't want to keep brlocks intentionally crippled.
> 
> Do you see brlock as a global lock that will pause the entire guest 
> (not just VCPUs - anything except the calling thread)?

Yeah, that's how such brlocks work - life has to stop when there's 
write modifications going on.

There should be a mutex around br_write_lock() itself, to make sure 
two br_write_lock() attempts cannot deadlock each other, but other 
than that it should be pretty straightforward and robust.

And note that such a pause/suspend thing might be helpful to do a 
*real* host driven suspend feature in the future: stop all vcpus, all 
worker threads, save state to disk and exit?

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-30 10:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-30  8:30 [PATCH v2 1/8] kvm tools: Use correct value for user signal base Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:30 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] kvm tools: Remove wrong global definition of kvm Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  8:59     ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:30 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] kvm tools: Allow pausing guests Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:39   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  8:30 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] kvm tools: Pause/resume guest using SIGUSR2 Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:41   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  8:30 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] kvm tools: Add a brlock Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:30 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:43   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  9:29     ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-30  9:34       ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  9:40         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-30  9:46           ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  9:48             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-30  9:54               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30 11:11                 ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-05-30 11:12                   ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30 11:26                     ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-05-30 11:39                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 11:49                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30 11:55                           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-30 11:58                             ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30 12:20                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30 12:22                                 ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30 12:25                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 12:23                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 12:30                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-30 12:32                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 14:10                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30 14:30                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 14:43                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30 14:50                                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 19:32                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30 12:04                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 12:36                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30 12:44                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 12:46                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-30 12:48                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 13:05                               ` Sasha Levin
2011-06-03  7:27                               ` Sasha Levin
2011-06-03  7:34                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-03  7:54                                   ` Sasha Levin
2011-06-03 19:31                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-03 19:56                                       ` Sasha Levin
2011-06-03 20:22                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-03 21:03                                           ` Sasha Levin
2011-06-03 21:20                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-03 22:54                                               ` Sasha Levin
2011-06-03 23:05                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-04  6:26                                                   ` Sasha Levin
2011-06-04 16:30                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-14 22:26                                                       ` Sasha Levin
2011-06-14 23:42                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-15  1:25                                                           ` Sasha Levin
2011-06-15  4:22                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-05 12:12                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 14:16                           ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-05-30  9:56             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30 10:05               ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30 10:13                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30 10:22                   ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30 10:30                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-05-30 10:41                       ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:30 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] kvm tools: Add debug mode to brlock Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:30 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] kvm tools: Use brlock in MMIO and IOPORT Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  8:56     ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:35 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] kvm tools: Use correct value for user signal base Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  8:40   ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  8:49     ` Ingo Molnar

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