From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jesper Juhl <jj@chaosbits.net>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Jan Beulich <JBeulich@novell.com>,
richard -rw- weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com>,
Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 09/10] x86-64: Randomize int 0xcc magic al values at boot
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 18:42:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110531164227.GA15651@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimGAtCPuvwvKfD6TLcabVzqKZhfGg@mail.gmail.com>
* Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu> wrote:
> >> static int __init vsyscall_init(void)
> >> {
> >> + extern char __vsyscall_0;
> >
> > Please don't put extern definitions in the middle of a .c file - if
> > then it should be in a .h file. (even if only a single function uses
> > it)
>
> I thought the convention (and existing practice in vsyscall_64.c)
> was that if the extern reference is to a magic linker symbol then
> it goes in the function that uses it. But I can find it a header
> file.
i'd suggest collecting them into a vsyscall header. The problem with
externs in .c is that the moment two .c files start using it there's
the danger of type divergence.
> >> + /*
> >> + * Randomize the magic al values for int 0xcc invocation. This
> >> + * isn't really a security feature; it's to make sure that
> >> + * dynamic binary instrumentation tools don't start to think
> >> + * that the int 0xcc magic incantation is ABI.
> >> + */
> >> + vsyscall_nr_offset = get_random_int() % 3;
> >> + vsyscall_page = pfn_to_page(__pa_symbol(&__vsyscall_0) >> PAGE_SHIFT);
> >> + mapping = kmap_atomic(vsyscall_page);
> >> + /* It's easier to hardcode the addresses -- they're ABI. */
> >> + mangle_vsyscall_movb(mapping, 0, 0xcc);
> >
> > what about filling it with zeroes?
>
> Fill what with zeroes? I'm just patching one byte here.
Sigh, i suck at reading comprehension today!
> >> +#ifndef CONFIG_UNSAFE_VSYSCALLS
> >> + mangle_vsyscall_movb(mapping, 1024, 0xce);
> >> +#endif
> >> + mangle_vsyscall_movb(mapping, 2048, 0xf0);
> >
> > Dunno, this all looks rather ugly.
>
> Agreed. Better ideas are welcome.
None at the moment except "don't randomize it and see where the chips
may fall". I'd rather live with a somewhat sticky default-off compat
Kconfig switch than some permanently ugly randomization to make the
transition to no-vsyscall faster.
It's not like we'll be able to remove the vsyscall altogether from
the kernel - the best we can hope for is to be able to flip the
default - there's binaries out there today that rely on it and
binaries are sticky - a few months ago i saw someone test-running
1995 binaries ;-)
Btw., we could also make the vsyscall page vanish *runtime*, via a
sysctl. That way distros only need to update their /etc/sysctl.conf.
> We could scrap int 0xcc entirely and emulate on page fault, but
> that is slower and has other problems (like breaking anything that
> thinks it can look at a call target in a binary and dereference
> that address).
>
> Here's a possibly dumb/evil idea:
>
> Put real syscalls in the vsyscall page but mark the page NX. Then
> emulate the vsyscalls on the PF_INSTR fault when userspace jumps to
> the correct address but send SIGSEGV for the wrong address.
>
> Down side: it's even more complexity for the same silly case.
heh, you are good at coming up with sick ideas! ;-)
I don't think we want to add another branch to #PF, but could we turn
this into #GP or perhaps an illegal instruction fault?
Should be benchmarked:
- The advantage of INT 0xCC is that it's completely isolated: it
does not slow down anything else.
- doing this through #GP might be significantly slower cycle-wise.
Do we know by how much?
The advantage would be that we would not waste an extra vector, it
would be smaller, plus it would be rather simple to make it all a
runtime toggle via a sysctl.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-31 16:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-31 14:13 [PATCH v4 00/10] Remove syscall instructions at fixed addresses Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 14:13 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] x86-64: Fix alignment of jiffies variable Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 14:14 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] x86-64: Document some of entry_64.S Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 14:14 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] x86-64: Give vvars their own page Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 17:17 ` Louis Rilling
2011-05-31 14:14 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] x86-64: Remove kernel.vsyscall64 sysctl Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 14:14 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] x86-64: Map the HPET NX Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 14:14 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] x86-64: Remove vsyscall number 3 (venosys) Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 14:14 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] x86-64: Fill unused parts of the vsyscall page with 0xcc Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 14:14 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] x86-64: Emulate legacy vsyscalls Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 15:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 14:14 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] x86-64: Randomize int 0xcc magic al values at boot Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 15:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 15:56 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-31 16:10 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-31 16:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 16:42 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-05-31 18:08 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-31 14:14 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] x86-64: Add CONFIG_UNSAFE_VSYSCALLS to feature-removal-schedule Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-31 18:34 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-31 18:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-31 18:59 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-31 19:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 19:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 20:05 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-05-31 20:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-08-06 20:18 ` [PATCH v3 " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-06-08 8:50 ` [PATCH v4 " Ingo Molnar
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